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Aug 21st, 2005 at 4:47pm
 
Hi all,
My name is Jeff and Ive been a woodworker for 24 years, framing, trim, cabinets, and furniture. I just started turning a few months ago. Since then, Ive done about 15 or more turnings, mostly segmented. Had a few blowouts and pieces rolling out into the driveway, but still learning more and more, every piece i turn. One of my questions is about the tools and how they are used ( like what angle they should be presented to the work piece and such). Ive seen sites where the person is presenting the tool to the piece (a skew) at an angle (upward) and almost  shaving the wood off. Where as others present it at a 90 degreee angle at the center line or slightly below it. The first presentation scares me, as it seems it would catch a kick the tool into the floor!!! ( Which it did when I tryied it and also bent my cheap aluminum faceplate!!)
  Ive grown most comfortable with the skew and the scrapers but still am scared of the bowl gouges. I have had quite a few catches with them. Is there any "real" rule of thumb, or shall I continue using what I am comfortable with?? I am pretty much self taught in turnings( The Hard Way!!) and could use any advice to make things easier.
   Ive been following this forum and reading posts and found some of the info quite helpful.
  I will post some pics of my work when I figure out how to.
  I hope to learn more from you all!1
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Reply #1 - Aug 21st, 2005 at 5:04pm
 
Welcome to the vortex, Jeff.

With regard to your question about tool use: It's not impossible to learn proper tool technique from a vidio but it's very difficult. My suggestion is that you locate a local/nearby turning club and ask for assistance. If you don't know of a club in your area go to  Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register;  On the home page, left side, you will see a menu, click on the local chapters icon.

I'm self-taught so I'm not the one to give "proper" technique instruction with the possible exception of the skew chisel.

I'm quite sure other members will be able to help you more than I. The key is hands-on instruction.

Again, welcome to the vortex; you're in it for the duration, lad.
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Reply #2 - Aug 21st, 2005 at 5:17pm
 
Thanks for the welcome Bud.
The "vortex" is right!!  It seems to have sucked me in and I spend all my free time out in the garage (which I did anyhow, but now its doing something else besides making furniture and drinkin beer!!) My wife is none to happy about it either as it takes even more time away from her. After finishing an item, she says "that nice, where are gonna put all this sh-t?" LOL
Hopefully the obsession will wear off a little and I can get back to more important stuff...................like drinkin beer!!!!  But till then.....
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Reply #3 - Aug 21st, 2005 at 5:27pm
 
Jeff, If you sell your furniture, cabinets, etc. Include a turned piece in the deal. You'll be surprised at the result.
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Reply #4 - Aug 21st, 2005 at 5:39pm
 
I have!! the last big cabinet job I did was all out of antique cypress. I turned a segmented lidded bowl for the owners out of antique sinker cypress and they where overwealmed by it!! They asked if I had pics of more work and offered to help sell them or make custom ones for thier friends and /or family. (what's nice is these people have money and reconize "artwork")
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Reply #5 - Aug 21st, 2005 at 5:53pm
 
How do ya post pics??
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Reply #6 - Aug 21st, 2005 at 6:19pm
 
Hey Jeff, welcome to WR!

On the second page of threads under the Wr Updates & Info is a thread on the photo sharing setup we use.  You can get to it from the home page.

Here's what Chris (our benevolent leader) has to say about posting pics:

'just go to the photo sharing page, register and then when you log in an upload photos link will appear in the upper right hand corner.  You'll have to register for the photo area separately since it's made by a different company than the message boards, but you can register with the same user name and password if you want.'

Photos should be under 100K, and I use a 600x450 pixel size.  That seems to work pretty well.

Hope to see some of that segmented stuff soon.
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Reply #7 - Aug 21st, 2005 at 8:13pm
 
Hi Jeff and welcome to the addiction we call woodturning.   To answer your question on posting pics, here is what I posted recently for another member

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Go to the photo sharing area, you must register there as well it is two different softwares and just being registered here won't work there.  after you register and log in look to the upper right of the screen and just below the large logo bar with the message boards, project plans, art galleries, tips and hazards headings is a thinner line and on the right end  you will see the words upload photos underlined.  click on it. Another box will coem up and in the middle you will see a button that says browse.  click on it.  The window that comes up will allow you to find the location on your computer where your photo is.  When you find the file you want, highlite it and click on open and the rest should be self explanatory.  


Just ask if you have any problems. 

  I noticed in  your profile that you are in Orlando FL.  are you actually in Orlando or in one of the surrounding communities?  On occasion we (me wife and kids) head down to the Homossasa springs area to visit my wifes mother.  Members of this forum have a tendancy to got together when one is in the others vicinity.  If your still here next summer maybe you can give me a way to get away from the inlaw for a day  Cheesy
  Anyway, welcome to the forum and I hope we hear more from you and see some of your work soon.

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Reply #8 - Aug 22nd, 2005 at 12:55am
 
Yes Philipe, I do live in Orlando. East Orlando to be exact. About 25 miles east of the Mouse house (Disney World)
I dont plan on going anywhere for a few years.
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Reply #9 - Aug 22nd, 2005 at 2:01am
 
Jeff I just found his website online and thought you might be interested.

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  Not sure how far this is from you.  I went to the Website that Bud mentioned and found it.  There are a lotof clubs it seems in the "central Florida" region, some of them might be closer than this one. 
  Here is a link directly to the AAW (american association of woodturners) list of chapter clubs

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Reply #10 - Aug 22nd, 2005 at 2:14am
 
Ive posted a few pics in the gallery under Skyj.
   Thanks for the links
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Reply #11 - Aug 22nd, 2005 at 2:29am
 
You do some excellent work Jeff, and you have been turning how long?
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Reply #12 - Aug 22nd, 2005 at 3:17am
 
About 3 months. Granted Ive been working with wood for my whole life so it kinda comes easy to me. I will post a few of my oops projects soon as soon as I find all the pieces (they are scattered around the shop)
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Reply #13 - Aug 22nd, 2005 at 3:55am
 
Welcome to this wonderful forum it is almost like an extended family from all over the world.  Ask and someone should know or direct you to something that will help.  I agree with the others get with a local turning club and they will be able to help with the tools faster than watching a video. Nice work and keep turning.
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Reply #14 - Aug 22nd, 2005 at 7:05am
 
Jeff, lad, in 3 months you've become very accomplished. In 3 years you'll be a "well-known" turner. You have the gift, use it well.
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Reply #15 - Aug 23rd, 2005 at 1:12pm
 
Hi Jeff,
        Very impressive items, up until now 99.9% of segmented turning didnt look right to me, didnt really like it and never gave it a second look. (Sorry all you segmented turners reading this) However, I have to say your work is very attractive and I find myself studying it to see how it was created. No luck yet on that score but it proves your stile has what it needs. quite what exactly attracts me to yours I have yet to discover, be assured I will be comparing yours to others to find the answer, any chance you'll tell us just how long cutting, preparing and glueing?
I guess the art is knowing how the finished piece will look when you are working on all the little bits of wood.

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Reply #16 - Aug 23rd, 2005 at 2:13pm
 
Sorry I am a bit late with this, but welcome to WR, Jeff.  You're doing some awesome work already, definitely well on your way to becoming a great turner.  If you haven't already you should check out Malcolm Tibbetts book on segmented turning.  At the rate you're going you're going to need a challenge soon and Malcolm's projects will push your limits even years from now.

By the way, what are you using to get the wood to look silver in some of your pieces?

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Reply #17 - Aug 23rd, 2005 at 4:41pm
 
Boots,
 Thank you very much for your praise...... If I can turn one solid turner to segmented turner also...............my life will be complete!!! Hehehe Grin
   I cant say I know what style  or whatnot  that I have......I just lay out my stuff on woodturner pro (just to get the angles for my compound or stave pieces) and go from there. Many times things are modified and changed as I go,,,,lets say if a semi finished diameter is smaller than I expected  then I adjust the next ring to fit it rather than going off the cut sheet the puter spit out for me. Ive made a few Items without woodturner pro software and just measured as I went,,,,,,granted they wernt with stave segments  ( I need that software for that cuz I flunked geometry.......the only math we use!!)
   I Quickly learned to do one ring ata time, true up the face , glue on, tru up edges and face, put on next ring. It works out much better than trying to glue up many segments and mount them to find your lathe  break dances better that you!!
On the same note ....Ill add rings and or veneer spacers.
 I guess I really dont follow a set "plan" or "cut list" and dont care if I adhere to any such plan........... If it looks like crap....................oh well ,,,,, Grin Its a nice lookin piece of crap in my eyes!!
  My  first couple pieces took about 30 to 40 hours, but now Ive got to the point where I can mill up all the wood, cut all the pieces in a couple hours....if that. Then gluing is about 10 min a ring. I sand one edge flat on the disc sander then glue that to the bottom disc. Then true up that face and repeat with the second ring, and so on. Some pieces I do the base first, then the top, finish insides then join them and finish turning the outside. The pieces with laminate are basically built around the laminate ring,  meaning I make the laminate board first and cut into segments to make desired diameter first. I dont always end up with my desired diameter (cutting and shaving a segment to keep a pattern centered or to make the joints line up). Then the rest of the piece is built around that ring.
 The mohagany piece with the celtic squares only took me about 8 hours start to finish, working time. That of course does not include glue drying time.
 Another thing I quickly learned it to leave the piece mounted on the face plate until its complete. Even if I take the screws out, use the faceplate for something else and then mount the piece back on the faceplate using the same holes, same placement, it always comes out needing trued up again. The slightest deviation requires turning the whole thing again....inside and out.
 I hope this answers a couple of your questions
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Reply #18 - Aug 24th, 2005 at 12:59pm
 
Hi,
    Its all begining to make sense now, thanks for the explanation. Im sure its harder than it looks. perhaps one day, who knows.

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Reply #19 - Sep 5th, 2005 at 12:50pm
 
Both Tibbetts' and Hampton's books are good reading. Very different approaches, but a lot of info in each.
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