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Challenge #4
Oct 12th, 2005 at 2:16am
 
OK, so here is the next challange for those that wish to partake:

Make an old school style spinning top, string powered throwing top.  There are plenty of plans on line and parts can be found in the catalogs or you can make them on your own.  Size requirements (to be safe and consistent) are: minimum 2" diameter and 3" long.  Most of the ones I have seen are 3" or so at the widest point and up to 5" long.  There is no limit on the maximum size.  The finished product should spin per the standard designs - hold string, throw top, yank string, top spins, blah, blah, blah.

Part of the challenge will be design as well.  the style itself is pretty standard and easy to turn, so spend some extra time coloring, burning, texturing, etc. to make it look extra special.  

As mentioned in another thread, this won't be a trade but will be a donation to a charity, a needy family or just to a kid you know that will enjoy such a gift and may not be getting much for the holidays.

This one is pretty easy, so the timeline is 21 days, so be ready to post the projects on Nov. 2 (that's a Wednesday).
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Reply #1 - Oct 12th, 2005 at 2:25am
 
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Reply #2 - Oct 12th, 2005 at 5:48am
 
Now you're talking.  I know tops, been spinning tops for ever and a day.  I'm in.

I say, you haven't completed the challenge until you can do this with your top:

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Reply #3 - Oct 12th, 2005 at 6:02am
 
That is pretty cool Rick.  Now I only have to find some pointers on making those bad boys.   Grin

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Reply #4 - Oct 12th, 2005 at 9:11am
 
Holy crap Rick, that is way COOL!  Any chance at getting a close up photo of your top?
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Reply #5 - Oct 12th, 2005 at 9:26am
 
By the way, do a Google search for "throw tops" and you'll find a whole mess of pages with pictures and how to spin instructions.
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Reply #6 - Oct 12th, 2005 at 9:30am
 
Something fun I found that Rick's video brought to mind.

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Reply #7 - Oct 12th, 2005 at 1:30pm
 
Great sites Chris. I may be giving away my age but I used to have a couple of Wizzers. They had parts with ball ends you could mount in the top and have spin upside down on a stand or run along a string.
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Reply #8 - Oct 12th, 2005 at 3:59pm
 
i am a big weirdo... i hold my top in my left hand... upside down... it spins great!!!
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Reply #9 - Oct 12th, 2005 at 4:02pm
 
WOW....... that was amazing...



i dont mean your dog actually caught the ball amazing, oh no...



that was Michael Jordan scoring 45 points with the flu in the finals amazing...


Lance Armstrong winning the tour de France a gazillion times amazing!!!

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Reply #10 - Oct 12th, 2005 at 5:23pm
 
I'm in. But I think I'd better lower the decuctible on my home owners policy. I see broken windows in my future. I might be the only one here who has never thrown a top.

And Rick, that's amazing. How do you do dat.
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Reply #11 - Oct 12th, 2005 at 6:58pm
 
Check this out....
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Reply #12 - Oct 12th, 2005 at 7:24pm
 
Here's a pic:

This is the top I used in the video.  It's 4" diameter and 4 3/4" tall.  Made from cedar by Walter Watts, a top maker from Indiana.

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Junior, don't know if you're dogging me or not!  I do throw left handed, upside down, and yup, it sure does throw fine.  Jest takes practice.  In my youth, I came in 4th in the regional Duncan top competitions.  First three places got a trip to Disneyland for the finals.

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Reply #13 - Oct 12th, 2005 at 7:25pm
 
No your not curt.  However looking at them I might just have to try it, as a matter of fact my mind is already concocting a design.
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Reply #14 - Oct 12th, 2005 at 9:05pm
 
Never made a top, but I will give it a whirl.
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Reply #15 - Oct 12th, 2005 at 9:37pm
 
You know I'm in.  Little buggers may not spin at all, but I'm a gonna turn a few of 'em.   8)
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Reply #16 - Oct 13th, 2005 at 7:45pm
 
Other than the down load from Craft Supplies, has anyone found turning insturctions on the web.  I struck out.   8)
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Reply #18 - Oct 13th, 2005 at 9:09pm
 
Doug if you go to this website it will give you a video on how to wind it and a lot of others, I was amazed at what I saw these people doing.  Just like Rick was doing with his, which was also incredibly amazing. 

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Reply #19 - Oct 13th, 2005 at 9:13pm
 
Saw all of that.  It really is amazing what folks can do with a top.  I know that I've seen some ratios for height/width/wide point from top, all for greatest spinability (how do like that for coining a word).  8)
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Reply #20 - Oct 13th, 2005 at 10:37pm
 
Hey Rev,
    Did you ever get any information on "Trowing Tops"? Grin

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Reply #21 - Oct 14th, 2005 at 5:27am
 
I'm still trying to figure out how to "trow" the silly things Grin Grin
Actually I think they are pretty easy.  I tend to be pretty technical on things like this.  There was a discussion on tops and the ratios that were needed for them to spin well and long, but no one seems to remember that conversation.  So, I think I'm just going to dive in and make adjustments as I see what's going on.   8)
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Reply #22 - Oct 14th, 2005 at 8:26am
 
Rev, when I first started making throw tops, I measured the dimensions at four (or five) points on a 'standard' top, then used some formula to extrapolate these to work with any starting diameter.  I'll try and find that when I get home from work today and post it for all either tonight or tomorrow.
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Reply #23 - Oct 14th, 2005 at 12:18pm
 
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Reply #24 - Oct 14th, 2005 at 5:17pm
 
Those instructions from Craft Supplies should work pretty well.  Based on what I see from Rick's picture and dimensions along with those on the CS worksheet, it would seem that the height is basically 1/2" greater than the max. diameter and looking at the photos, the max diameter is pretty close to the golden mean or just a tad higher.  I'm gonna try a few small ones first and see how it goes.  I've never spun one either, but from what I have read it doesn't sound too bad to figure out.
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Reply #25 - Oct 14th, 2005 at 6:29pm
 
I made one already.about to the specs showed........I can make it spin...........just not on the tip. Seems to spin on the side, top edge..every edge but the bottom!!Tore it up nice too. I elected to try it outside on the driveway first before I try in the house. LOL .I did get it to spin on the tip, winding it , setting it on the floor, and holding it upright with my finger on the top and pulling the string!!
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Where are the CS top instructions located on their web site?? This link goes nowhere on my 'puter.
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Reply #27 - Oct 14th, 2005 at 6:38pm
 
It worked on Cfuller's post a couple of days ago.  I just cut and pasted it.  Check his post from the 12th.

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Reply #28 - Oct 14th, 2005 at 6:49pm
 
Gil, if you go Craft Supply's online catalog and enter item # 198-3000 (it's for top strings) there is a link to down load instructions. It's in Adobe Acrobat format.
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Reply #29 - Oct 14th, 2005 at 6:50pm
 
Here's a rough drawing of what my measurements came out as.  The diameters at the four spots starting at the top are 1 1/4, 2, 1 1/2, and 1 inch.  Any other number you can't read just ask, Sorry for the quality, it's a scan of a light pencil drawing.

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Reply #30 - Oct 14th, 2005 at 7:40pm
 
Rick... i was not trying to mock you...


I really do throw left handed, upside down... i am ambedextrious (sp). i write with my right hand, but catch and throw with my left. My younger brother is a pure south paw. he always threw his right side up left handed and it worked well for him...


it seemed every time i threw my top, it wanted to spin on it's top, so i turned it around in my hand, and WHAMMO... it spun like a champ!!! i didnt even notice how you were holding it in the video you posted...


that really was the coolest trick(s) i have ever seen with a top... i was always happy just getting it to spin longer than my brother!!!
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those string winding instructions are different than how i learned to wind the string.

i simply use the knot as a catch to reverse the strings direction, and wind at the top, right next to the knot.
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Reply #32 - Oct 23rd, 2005 at 8:18am
 
I don't know how everyone is doing on the 'throw top' challenge, but it has turned out to be harder than I thought. If any of you purchased the top points from Craft Supplies don't follow their instructions for drilling the hole for the point. It says to drill a 1/4" hole but the points have a 3/16" shaft. I've turned a couple tops from some scrap wood so far and can't get one to spin very well yet. Not sure if it's the spinner or the turner, both of which are me. So I'm not sure which needs work.
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Reply #33 - Oct 23rd, 2005 at 3:04pm
 
Hey Curt, as I mentioned to Boots in another post, throwing tops takes some practice, at least for me it does.  Our employee's son is quite the expert and he threw a couple of mine, and much to my surprise, they worked.  And as for the point, a nail, maybe even a small concrete nail, is plenty good enough.  Also, a dense wood (heavy) seems to be much better than a lighter one. 

And no, it is not as easy as it might seem. 

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Reply #34 - Oct 23rd, 2005 at 3:41pm
 
Ive got a few done.....I cant spin um either....unless I hold it on the floor and spin it by hand, and they spin. I assume with the right "thrower" they will work fine. Will there be a specific section at the gallery to post pics? Ive done a couple "Florida" theme tops.
  I used a peg from a cam lock for a tip (The cheap cabinet hardware) Its about  1/4" x 1 1/2". Glued it in with gorilla glue, then while turning it I filed the tip round. The first top I did was with an aluminum tip. Doesnt work well...concrete eats it up. The others are steel. Cant say they wont leave marks on a nice wood floor tho!!
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Reply #35 - Oct 23rd, 2005 at 4:45pm
 
Like Sky I've been able to spin mine if I don't throw them. The top points are really a waste of money. The nail idea sounds good and so does the nylon cam lock tip. I turned mine from some oak ballister cut offs so they're good solid wood. But another thing I'm learning fast is that a couple bad throws across the driveway and any fine finish work is history. My wife won't let me throw them in the house, she's never been much of a sport about those kind of things. Sometimes I think Chris dreams up these torturous challenges just to make me crazy Wink
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Reply #36 - Oct 24th, 2005 at 5:35am
 
The tips you buy from Craft Supplies are 'no mar' tips, made from plastic.  Their main purpose was to save your indoor floors from dents and scratches made by the metal tips that preceeded them.  Only problem was, concrete just ate 'em up.

Throwing tops is like anything else, it takes some practice.  It helps if a thrower is around to show you.  An easy way, once you've gotten the string wrapped, is to hold the top, pointy end up, about 4-6" above the ground, and throw it straight out, horizontal to the ground.  If wound right, it should unwind, turn over, and spin. Don't jerk the string back a lot, just throw it and let it unwind.
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Reply #37 - Oct 28th, 2005 at 7:07pm
 
This still on everyone's radar?  Time's tickin' folks...
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Reply #38 - Oct 28th, 2005 at 7:18pm
 
Yes sir!  Ready to take pictures this weekend.  Upload on Wednesday, right?  And this challenge is coincident with a new-born rage for throw tops among the kids here in Colombia.  Only today on the street somewhere in town I stood and watched three school children doing some pretty fancy stunts with their plastic tops.  Pretty impressive.  So giving some to needy children will be a natural here, these days. 

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Reply #39 - Oct 29th, 2005 at 7:02am
 
I have a 'practice' top that I've been using to try to learn to throw one. Have gotten a spin only a couple times but when it does it spins well and long. But last night I was in the garage practicing, I leave my garage door up about a foot to let the cats go in and out. I threw the top and it went under the door and out into the dark. Still can't find where it went even in the daylight this morning. So if any of you see it spinning by, let me know.
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Reply #40 - Oct 29th, 2005 at 10:50am
 
darn, that was funny Curt.  I read your post and have been laughing for a few minutes straight.  Thanks, I needed that!
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Reply #41 - Oct 29th, 2005 at 2:16pm
 
Got mine ready for pics.........cant make um spin..........but I know they will
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Reply #42 - Oct 29th, 2005 at 3:49pm
 
i just finished building a "house" for my lathe to live in...8 by 10 shed should do nicely as long as  i keep it clean and organized!!! i am so happy... now i can sharpen my tools whenever i feel the need!!!tonight will probably be a nice late night of TURNING!!!!!!

now all i need is a radio out there!!!!! and maybe a chair eventually!!!

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Reply #43 - Oct 29th, 2005 at 4:13pm
 
Curt, there is an alligator cruising around in front of our dock, and it is making a spinning sound sorta like your lost top. Plus, there is a string hanging out of its mouth, and he is a kinda out-west lookin' 'gator too.
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Reply #44 - Oct 29th, 2005 at 4:42pm
 
I thought it might have been what made the roadrunner in my back yard dizzy looking. Wink  Thought he was going to fall over.

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Reply #45 - Oct 30th, 2005 at 4:14am
 
Got 'em started. Thanks to whoever gave the drill hole warning for the plastic points from woodcraft. They sort of spin, I just don't know how to do it. I am going to try to decorate them with a couple of things I haven't done before Smiley
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Reply #46 - Oct 30th, 2005 at 12:39pm
 
Got mine to spin on the second try after I figured out how to wind them right.  I put pictures of the one I made for myself in the gallery.
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Reply #47 - Oct 30th, 2005 at 2:24pm
 
no problems spinning em... i used to spin em like mad, it only took two throws..
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Reply #48 - Oct 30th, 2005 at 3:30pm
 
For those of  you that are having trouble with winding the top, here's a short video of how it's done (this is for those who throw with the right hand).

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Reply #49 - Oct 30th, 2005 at 3:51pm
 
That's funny Rick, thanks for the video.  Mine is wound right, just upside down.  Looking at it the mechanics are the same but I imagine it may spin faster/longer winding it the 'official' way.
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Reply #50 - Oct 31st, 2005 at 10:20pm
 
The album is open for posting your challenge pieces, go for it!
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Reply #51 - Oct 31st, 2005 at 11:03pm
 
And yes, I know I am 2 days early but what the heck.
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Reply #52 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 5:41pm
 
The best thing about these challenges, at least for me, is to see how many completely different ways everyone has of making something from the same basic instructions. Even something as simple and basic as a top brings out the diverse creativity in everyone.
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Reply #53 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 7:11pm
 
It is pretty cool isn't it?  I would have thought that we had more entries for this one though...wonder what happened?
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Reply #54 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 8:21pm
 
I lost all my round tuits.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #55 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 8:24pm
 
Sorry guys but this one was bad timing and weather and work.  I haven't seen my lathe is a long time and am not sure when I will again.  I really miss it.  GOt too many other irons in the fire that are taking priority and the biggest one is sleep, my sleep schedule is all messed up lately.
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Reply #56 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 8:50pm
 
No more round tuits, and the first one looked like, well you know....... Grin

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Reply #57 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 9:36pm
 
I'm no better off.  Haven't seen my lathe for several weeks now.  Did have a good time with my chainsaw in MS, but no time for lathe.  Maybe in the next week of two I can figure out how in the world to turn it on again.   8)
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Reply #58 - Nov 3rd, 2005 at 3:08am
 
Partially done, but haven't been home to post a pic, will try today
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Reply #59 - Nov 3rd, 2005 at 1:16pm
 
With all the dates flying around, I guess I'm a day late for the top challenge, but mine are out there now.
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Reply #60 - Nov 3rd, 2005 at 1:50pm
 
Mine are out, not finished. One day I will get back into the shop! Angry
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Reply #61 - Nov 5th, 2005 at 10:25pm
 
Hey guys, I found this on another forum, posted by Bobham.  It is a video on how to wind a throwing top. (or trowing top for some of us Grin)  Thanks Bob.

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Reply #62 - Nov 6th, 2005 at 9:08am
 
Hi, Jim:
Rick in Lincoln posted that link on page 4 of this thread, which is where I got it to post in the other forum.....  Cheesy

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Reply #63 - Nov 6th, 2005 at 9:26am
 
I didn't remember the site, but I do remember that I couldn't get a connection when I clicked on it before.

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