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Lathe Motor upgrade questions
Apr 14th, 2006 at 7:19am
 
Well, I think I want to upgrade my lathe motor from a 3/4hp to a 1.5hp.  What are some of the things I need to look at in a new motor?  I don't know much about electric motors or motors in general.  Alot of motors I see do not have spindles.  How does one go about attaching the spindle to the motor?  I know I need to get a motor with the same measurements as my old one.  Does anyone know a place with good prices (for me that means cheap cheap cheap)?  I know I prob want a single phase.  I found a 1hp motor with these specs for $80:
    * Volts:115
    * Full load amps:14
    * HP:1
    * Maximum speed: 1795 RPM
    * Frame size: 3/16"
    * Key slot size: 3/16''
    * Base plate: 4"L x 6-3/8"W
    * Rotation: clockwise

Does that seem like a good price?

Any help would be appreciated.
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Re: Lathe Motor upgrade questions
Reply #1 - Apr 14th, 2006 at 8:08am
 
A couple of things to think about.  1) does your current motor turn clockwise or counter clockwise?  I bought what seemed like a good deal for a motor to use on my bandsaw only to find out it turned the wrong way and wasn't reversible.  I didn't realize it until I had a few people over in my shop to show off my new upgrade.  I instantly blamed one of them who had advised me on the upgrade, you may not be so lucky.  2)will it mount on your lathe?  And will you be able to use your lathe the way you want to i.e. turn your headstock is the big one once it is mounted?  3) If you are going to upgrade why not go for the gusto and go with a true variable speed setup?  I did this on the advice of a friend to my first HF Lathe when I got to a point of needing a better lathe but couldn't afford a really good lathe.  I bought a 1.5 hp dc motor and with reversible controller on ebay for $325 delivered It was wired and ready to mount and plug in.  I had to made a different mounting arangements so i could turn the head stock and match up with the other pulley but that was simply done with some scratch BB plywood.  I later added a piece of sheet steel to it to add rigidity.  If I hadn't cracked the head stock out of carelessness I would still be using the thing.  (Always remember to tighten down your head stock when you rotate it, but don't over tighten and especially don't do it 6ft of pipe over the end of your torque wrench when you are trying to loosen stuck nuts off the back side also remeber which way nuts titghten and loosen when you are looking at it from the wrong direction).
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Reply #2 - Apr 14th, 2006 at 9:20pm
 
Thanks for the input.  I have the HF lathe with rotating head.  The $80 motor appears to be the same type as my 3/4hp on the lathe already.  Same rotational direction.  Would be easy to just replace with that.  I can't afford a variable dc motor setup.  Believe me.. I would definitely go that route if I could.  Maybe one day.  My lathe has the reeves pulley setup for vs operation.  Would a 1hp be enough for 8 to 12" bowls?  Or would I lose too much power through the reeves drive?

I always lock my headstock down hand tight and maybe a little bitty bit more, but never over tighten.  I believe alot of people really overtighten alot of things today including tailstock centers.  I've never had the head move.  I do however also need to locate a good source for the lock levers for the toolrest because a friend of mine stripped two of them by overtightening.
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Reply #3 - Apr 15th, 2006 at 3:16am
 
you can do 8 to 12 with the motor you have now you just have to go slow, I have made 15" on the outboard with the stock motor.  1hp will do you fine as well, if it is the hf 1hp motor you might need to make a space for the mounting plate,I can't remember for sure, but I think someone told me it got in the way when turning the head stock.  This is really a simple task just get a piece of 3/4" ply mount it on the stock plate and then another mouted to the bottom of the motor and mount the 2 together with the right amount of offset with the head turned 90 degrees  The only other change you would need to make would be the size of the belt to compensate for the extra distance.  Another thing to considder when making the bigger bowls is speed.   Because of the way the 34706 is setup (as is the jet 1236) you are not getting the lowest possible speed you can but rather getting something like 700 rpm.  That still is technically in the safe zone for turning but it would be better if you could go slower.  Since your not waiting for a dc setup (though i suggest you look locally on ebay first you might just get lucky), you can also get a reeves drive pulley online to change the ratio and slow it down.
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Reply #4 - Apr 15th, 2006 at 3:58am
 
Very helpful replies...thank you.  I think I will check around more on ebay especially and see if a dc motor and speed controller come up at a good price.  If nothing comes up I think I would be just fine with the 1hp motor.  Seems simple enough to set it up. 

I didn't know I could change out the reeves system that's in the lathe now.  That's something I'm interested in now that you brought it up.  Alot to think about.  hmmm  I would love to have slower speeds especially for sanding.

Maybe I will get the dc motor now (or rather soon) and save up for the controller.
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Reply #5 - Apr 15th, 2006 at 4:19am
 
modifying the reeves drive requires a little more than just changing the pulley from what i understand .  There is a spring on the shaft itself that helps move or rather hinders the spee changer movement which needs to be trimmed and while your at it you should fix the speed control handle so it moves into the slowest speed.  there is an online turtorial for that.  you will also have to remove the sheet metal cover from the lathe and build another one that will give clearance for the bigger spindle pulley.  A simple plywood cover should be enough to keep the dust and shavings out of it in lue of the metal one.  Another thought if you are handy with tools since you would already have the shaft stripped down now would be a good time to put new/heavier bearings in.

As far as controllers go they don't have to cost that much.  look around and you can get them for $25 to $50.  However the best deal if you aren't electricly inclined is to get one that is already wired and ready to plug and attach to the motor.   The one I got came ready to mount and plug in.  It took me all of 90 minutes from the time the UPS driver dropped it at my door to start turning and that included a trip to ace hardware for some mounting bolts
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