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Given that they have to endure going in and out of the frig, being handled, and then cleaned or wiped off.  What will hold up and look well with this type of use?
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Reply #2 - Jan 7th, 2008 at 10:49pm
 
One that is alcohol resistant.   Roll Eyes  I understand that several coats of friction polish will stand up well.

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Reply #3 - Jan 7th, 2008 at 11:21pm
 
Jim, isn't friction polish shellac based?  Which is thinned with alcohol?  Just asking.
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Reply #4 - Jan 7th, 2008 at 11:37pm
 
Rev - Any other options other than epoxy?  I'm not big on it, but if that is the only good option, I will.  How do you apply it?
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Reply #5 - Jan 8th, 2008 at 12:01am
 
I would thing that lacquer well cured would be a good choice.  Polyurathane as well.  I'm still not convinced that friction finish isn't a viable option.  I was just asking the question.  You know who you need to ask about this, tejaswood.  He makes and sells hundreds per year.  I would value what ever he has to say about finishing them.

As for using epoxy to finish with, you mix it thin and apply is with an inexpensive, throw away brush.
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Reply #6 - Jan 8th, 2008 at 12:32am
 
True that, Rev.  He would probably be the authority.  But once FP is cured, the alcohol doesn't affect the finish.  The Carnuba is some tough stuff.
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Very good.  Thanks for chiming in there Leo.
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Reply #8 - Jan 8th, 2008 at 12:58am
 
I use a pure carnuba wax buffed on, leaves a great shine and a lasting finish.

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Reply #9 - Jan 8th, 2008 at 8:30am
 
Some friction polishes are lacquer based, others are shellac based
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Reply #10 - Jan 8th, 2008 at 9:37am
 
Thank you everyonel for your input.  I didn't want to go to the effort to make these and have the finish deteriate because of temperture changes in and out of the frig combined with twisting and pulling on the stopper. 

If I understand correctly both friction polish and pure canuba wax buffed on are good options.  Final questions:  Does the friction polish need to be laquer based or is shelac based ok? 
What is a good Laquer based friction polish (Mine are shelac), and what is a good canuba wax?  I don't yet have a buffing wheel, so can the canuba be buffed with cloth while the stopper is turning on the lathe.
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Reply #11 - Jan 8th, 2008 at 10:04am
 
Sure it can.  It's a component of friction polish.  I use Mylands and it is shellac, carnuba, and beeswax.
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Reply #12 - Jan 11th, 2008 at 6:12pm
 
+1 to Leo's comment.  I turned 300+ stopper 2 xmas's ago and 200+ this year all with Myland's Friction Polish and the ones my roommate and girlfriend have are still in great shape after a year of good use.  I apply 2 applications of FP to the stopper as the finish can be built up.
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Reply #13 - Jan 11th, 2008 at 8:44pm
 
Thanks Guys!  My order of stoppers came today, so will be turning them over the weekend.  I'm going with the Mylands, after the great testimony of Leo and spinner!  500 in two years, Wow!

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Reply #14 - Jan 11th, 2008 at 9:06pm
 
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If you hadn't used FP before there's a few things you need to know about it.  I prefer to sand to 220 or 320 depending on the wood.  Finish your sanding with the grain of the wood, blow the dust off, and apply a thin coat while the lathe is stopped.  Start the lathe and apply another thin coat while it is spinning and then jack up the speed to get some friction going to bring out the shine.  Very important that you don't wrap the applicator around your fingers, because if you leave it in one spot too long it can grab onto the finish.  I don't think I have to describe what could happen.  FP falls out of suspension quite easily and you have to shake the container often to get everything blended.
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Reply #15 - Jan 12th, 2008 at 12:52pm
 
Spot on to what Leo said and I would recommend using a white soft paper towel kind of like the ones called rag in a box so that they will rip a lot easier than a rag. I get mine from Costco or HD
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Reply #16 - Jan 12th, 2008 at 9:50pm
 
Leo and bubba  - Thanks for the additional input.  After a slow start and a couple issues (Seems if tool rest to high a spindle Gouge can do weird things  Embarrassed)  I got some turned in addition to the two I trashed.  The FP tried to stick a couple of times and pulled the Paper towel from my fingers.  I just put a little more on and cranked up the speed to heat it up and it seemed to do ok.  These are fun to turn now that I have it fugured out, being that you can make them almost any shape you want.

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Reply #17 - Jan 12th, 2008 at 10:17pm
 
Ah, the old snatch and grab move.  I used to hate it when that happened.  See why I said, don't wrap it around your fingers!  I use a 100% cotton cloth to apply it.  Thumb and index finger grip only.
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Reply #18 - Jan 12th, 2008 at 11:43pm
 
I use squares of cotton that are about 6-9" and throw them away regularly.  For applying the FP I use cotton knit (looks like T-shirt material).  For polishing wax, I use cotton flannel.  Even part Poylester material can melt to the finish if it gets too hot. DAMHIKT!  Embarrassed

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Reply #19 - Jan 13th, 2008 at 12:50am
 
Jim, we're on the same page with applying FP.  I've used 50/50 cotton/polyester and had the same results.
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Reply #20 - Jan 13th, 2008 at 5:11am
 
The only type I used is the t-shirt material that Woodcraft sells in a 5lb bag Where did you get the cotton-flannel?

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Chuck Beland wrote on Jan 13th, 2008 at 5:11am:
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Reply #22 - Jan 13th, 2008 at 1:54pm
 
Is Mylands the FP of choice or  are there others that work just as good?  Also, I read somewhere that applying Renassiance Wax over the FP enhances the finish as well?  Any Comments?
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Reply #23 - Jan 13th, 2008 at 7:13pm
 
It's my choice, simply because I liked it so much I didn't bother about trying others.  Renaissance Wax topcoat adds more protection.  It's makes it acid resistant.
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Reply #24 - Jan 13th, 2008 at 7:46pm
 
I just went to the fabric store and bought a yard each of light colored cotton flannel and cotton knit.  Then I got out the scissors.

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Leo Frilot wrote on Jan 11th, 2008 at 9:06pm:
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If you hadn't used FP before there's a few things you need to know about it.  I prefer to sand to 220 or 320 depending on the wood.  Finish your sanding with the grain of the wood, blow the dust off, and apply a thin coat while the lathe is stopped.  Start the lathe and apply another thin coat while it is spinning and then jack up the speed to get some friction going to bring out the shine.  Very important that you don't wrap the applicator around your fingers, because if you leave it in one spot too long it can grab onto the finish.  I don't think I have to describe what could happen.  FP falls out of suspension quite easily and you have to shake the container often to get everything blended.


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Reply #27 - Feb 20th, 2008 at 4:50pm
 
I find that friction polish needs a little something to ensure a good application/adhesion.  This Mylands stuff is called hi-build which simply means you can apply multiple coats.  I typically like to finish a pen where you can still feel the wood but have the protection of the elements of the friction polish.  Yes, the gloss tends to wear off, but you have the protection of the carnuba and beeswax to protect for years.  Honestly, I normally stop sanding at 220.
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Reply #28 - Feb 25th, 2008 at 8:27pm
 
I may experiment with that.  I like friction polish finishes when they are new.  As they age it is hit and miss.  Some woods seem to do better in the long run than others. The first pen I did about 3 years ago is in my checkbook.  It has held up very well.  I suspect there is no finish left on it at all, but it is nice and smooth with a natural shine.  I did another pen a few weeks ago that I have had on my desk at work that feels great but looks dull.  I am tempted to take it apart and refinish it.  Both pens are very dark, dense grain woods.  I don't remember what the older one is exactly (maybe a dark cocobolo rosewood?), but the new one is an Asian rosewood.
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On bottle stoppers note- does anyone  know where a deal  is on the chrome bottle stopper
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On bottle stoppers note- does anyone  know where a deal  is on the chrome bottle stopper


I was looking for the same thing and found this site in the vendors section. looks like they have the best prices.

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They are still high on price.
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Reply #32 - Apr 22nd, 2008 at 9:15am
 
I new here and just chiming in on some older posts with my 2 cents.
Everyone has their finish of choice, that said, I use salad bowl finish.
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I don't know what type of stopper you are looking for or what you think is a good price, but this site has PSI products for a little less.
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Reply #35 - Apr 23rd, 2008 at 12:47am
 
Go for the best and charge accordingly.
I think the Ruth Niles stainless steel stoppers are the best out there.
Having said that, I sell a lot more of the stopper/corkscrew combos from Penn State / Woodturningz.
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Reply #36 - Apr 23rd, 2008 at 7:13am
 
Thanks for the link for wooden whimsies, looks like good prices.
Also what about the Breae stoppers, you know the ones with 2 O-rings.
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