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Feb 14th, 2008 at 1:34pm
 
Ok I know about the CA / Carpenter glue & sawdust (or ground coffee) trick, but I don't like the results (at least with the sawdust).  Does anyone know how the commercial wood fillers are made?  if so, would be a good idea to try and make your own using various woods or dyes for different colors.  Also...would be nice if the homemade stuff wouldn't get hard.  The commercial stuff, you just add water to it if it should start to dryup.  Anyone conquer this problem of crack filling?  I really want an easier way that isn't as frustrating to do.  Undecided

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Reply #1 - Feb 14th, 2008 at 4:53pm
 
For my personal use,I stay away from the commercial stuff.I use epoxy an sawdust.I usually just mix just enough for what I will use.Then if its not enough,I just mix a little more.I don,t use CA anymore than I have to as it liked to killed me last yr when I put some on some heavy burl I use.
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Reply #2 - Feb 14th, 2008 at 5:49pm
 
where or how do you get your sawdust?  I find mine is too coarse to use, doesn't fill the wood well, and how thick do you make your "paste?".  Do you make it thick enough, so that you grab it with your fingers & push it in the crack? or how exactly do you do it.  IF you happen to get a camera next time you mix some, I wouldn't mind a step by step photo explanation of how you mix it etc.....

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Reply #3 - Feb 14th, 2008 at 7:12pm
 
Bert,
I went to a local locksmith & have him save me the brass filings. They look great on wood (using Epoxy with it) or you can get crushed stone or other similar stuff from vendors. Check out CSUSA.

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Reply #4 - Feb 14th, 2008 at 7:15pm
 
I just started using the key filings also.  Works nicely with CA glue.
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Reply #5 - Feb 14th, 2008 at 7:19pm
 
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on small inclusions right I don't think it would last on large ones due to it gets brittle with age???
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Reply #6 - Feb 14th, 2008 at 10:35pm
 
Bert,

To mix and fill cracks check out Hobby Lobby for The fine touch palette knife.  They work pretty good.  I see that they now sell a five piece set for around 6 bucks.  The one that I use most has a 1/2" wide blade near the handle and tapers to a point.  You can use the wider spot for wider cracks and the point to force whatever filler into the crack or use the point for a narrow crack.  Hopes this helps.

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Reply #7 - Feb 14th, 2008 at 11:09pm
 
I've come to dislike using CA, even as a base for making my own filler, much the same as you have.  So I avoid using that concoction as much as possible.  I have had some success making fine dust of the debris that collects during the turning process by grinding the debris in a coffee/spice grinder.  They're fairly inexpensive so dedicating on to this process (I wouldn't use it for grinding edible products after using it for grinding wood chips, dust, of course) requires no great cash outlay.  I use VERY fine dust mixed with epoxy (heavy on the dust, light on the epoxy) and work it into cracks and crevices with any tool that works best for the particular job.  Toothpicks, dental tools, artists spatula, etc.
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Reply #8 - Feb 14th, 2008 at 11:57pm
 
Great tips all...if you know of any more, please enlighten me.

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I've come to dislike using CA, even as a base for making my own filler, much the same as you have.  So I avoid using that concoction as much as possible.  I have had some success making fine dust of the debris that collects during the turning process by grinding the debris in a coffee/spice grinder.  They're fairly inexpensive so dedicating on to this process (I wouldn't use it for grinding edible products after using it for grinding wood chips, dust, of course) requires no great cash outlay.  I use VERY fine dust mixed with epoxy (heavy on the dust, light on the epoxy) and work it into cracks and crevices with any tool that works best for the particular job.  Toothpicks, dental tools, artists spatula, etc.  

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Those are cool...thanks for that!

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Reply #11 - Feb 15th, 2008 at 9:58am
 
When I had gap in a segmented ring I mixed epoxy with a drop of "Mixol" dye of the appropriate color and filled the gap. When turned and finished, you can't tell where the gap was.

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Reply #12 - Feb 15th, 2008 at 2:41pm
 
I haven't tried it yet, but I've wondered for some time if those ladies pancake makeup products sold at the drug store could be used as a base for crack filler.  Will they mix with epoxy?  Anyone want to try it and give us a report?
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What brand of epoxy do you guys use ?

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Reply #15 - Feb 15th, 2008 at 4:17pm
 
How is epoxy for mixing...isn't epoxy kindof thick?  or is that what you want?  I probably wouldn't want the 5 minute epoxy...wouldn't it take about a good 5 minutes to mix up thoroughly  Wink

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Reply #16 - Feb 15th, 2008 at 4:34pm
 
That's the same stuff I use.  GMTA!

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Leo,
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Glue Takes Myerrors Away!?Grin Roll Eyes

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Leo Frilot wrote on Feb 15th, 2008 at 6:48pm:
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Alright smart alec GMTA???


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Reply #21 - Feb 15th, 2008 at 8:00pm
 
I use Devcon epoxy, the kind you can buy at the hardware store. Bert's right, 5 minute epoxy sets too fast. I use the two hour stuff.
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Reply #22 - Feb 16th, 2008 at 1:57pm
 
Several years ago I heard about, and have since used many times, coffee grounds pressed into the void set in place with thin CA.  The coffee acts as a natural accelerator and seems to work well.  The resulting fill looks a bit like a dark bark inclusion.  give it a try and see what you think about it.
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Reply #23 - Feb 17th, 2008 at 1:17am
 
I have also used the coffee grounds (with CA) with good results, after turning it looked
like some dark grain. 
I also use sanding dust.  I keep some in little jars (a diff jar for each diff wood type),
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How did GTMA become GMTA  Undecided Roll Eyes Grin Wink.  Guess the answer to that question will be TBA  ASAP RSVP LOL ....HAHAHA!  HEHEHE! HOHOHO!   Grin
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Reply #29 - Feb 17th, 2008 at 6:41pm
 
For color, I have used pastels and CA.  Embossing powder also works.  I posted it here somewhere but can't find it.
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Reply #30 - Feb 18th, 2008 at 11:57am
 
Dumb question about the use of coffee grounds: Do you use fresh or brewed grounds?  It's not that I'm to cheap to use the fresh grounds, I just wonder if it would affect expansion, color bleeding, etc.
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Reply #31 - Feb 18th, 2008 at 1:05pm
 
Used works, not sure about fresh.  Plus it just makes more sense to use the grounds that have already been brewed.  I just got some used espresso grounds.  Man, That stuff is fine!
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Michael Kuehl wrote on Feb 18th, 2008 at 11:57am:
Dumb question about the use of coffee grounds: Do you use fresh or brewed grounds?  It's not that I'm to cheap to use the fresh grounds, I just wonder if it would affect expansion, color bleeding, etc.


As long as they are dry, it doesn't matter.  I use fresh.  I have a small jar with about 2 tbsp of coffee in it I use for filling.  It last a long time if you aren't real sloppy.  It packs well into cracks so ther isn't a lot of waste.
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