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Feb 4th, 2010 at 8:17pm
 
I want to buy my first lathe but money is an issue. I was looking at the Shop Fox, 16x42 for $550.  Please, only people that have used the shop fox for opinions. Thanks Herb
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welcome Herb.  you came to the right spot for info. smiley=thumbsup.gif
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Reply #2 - Feb 4th, 2010 at 9:10pm
 
Herb Hoover wrote on Feb 4th, 2010 at 8:17pm:
I want to buy my first lathe but money is an issue. I was looking at the Shop Fox, 16x42 for $550.  Please, only people that have used the shop fox for opinions. Thanks Herb


This is my first attempt. "The Last Supper" in cedar.
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Reply #3 - Feb 4th, 2010 at 9:18pm
 
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Reply #5 - Feb 4th, 2010 at 9:49pm
 
Thanks, I made those at work. Cut a cedar tree and turned them green.  Cant wait to get a lathe of my own. Help Grin
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Reply #6 - Feb 4th, 2010 at 10:26pm
 
can't help you much with the shop fox, but jet makes a great 16" lathe.

looking at the specs for the shop fox, the speed range to me is not good.  600 is a little high for the slow speed, and 2400 is too slow for the high end.  no reverse.   it does have good size and is cast iron.  just my 2¢
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Reply #7 - Feb 4th, 2010 at 11:13pm
 
Thanks david, your 2 cents is worth alot more to me. what is a good low speed RPM, and high speed RPM?
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Reply #8 - Feb 5th, 2010 at 12:11am
 
i have a jet 1014 and it goes from 500 to 3900.  wish i could get it down to around 200.  50 would be perfect for sanding and finishing.  over 2800 is used for friction polishes and finishes.  variable speed is great to have, as you can dial in the perfect speed for the conditions.
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Reply #9 - Feb 5th, 2010 at 12:52am
 
Hi Herb and welcome,

I have a shop fox, I don't turn on it anymore, I use it as a disk sander.... and turn on a jet.
I will say that the shop fox was a fair machine for the first year, not great, just fair.
I honestly bought it just to play on a bit, as I had gotten rid of my other lathes. But, then I got into turning a lot again. I am pretty sure had I used it on the odd weekend or occation it would have been fine for longer.

Totally honest opinion, if your going to turn less then a week a month it will work for you. But, you would be far better off even turning that little or if you plan on turning a bunch to go for a better quality machine. I love the jet.

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Reply #10 - Feb 5th, 2010 at 6:08am
 
Many thanks guys. Iv been using a shop smith at work and its lowest speed is 800. if the wood is not perfectly round it will throw it in the floor. Smith lacks in many ways.
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Reply #11 - Feb 5th, 2010 at 7:31am
 
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Welcome to the funny farm. smiley=beer.gif

First thing in your profile you don't say where you are (country) cause our responses will be different.

I also have a Jet mini & it's a work horse. & just got a full size one due to my experiences with WMH tool group (maker of Jet & Powermatic) they're customer service is fantastic.

I also have a non-vs like Dave but this mini by jet goes from 270-4200 RPM.  Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register
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Reply #12 - Feb 5th, 2010 at 8:51am
 
Another vote for the Jet; I've used one almost every day for 10 years and it's still running strong.  The only things I've done to it is replace the power switch and the headstock bearings (with all the off-center stuff I turn that was no surprise).

I also have a ShopSmith that I use for coring bowls and turning larger items.  I've never had any pieces "thrown on the floor" by it.  Perhaps you need to make sure the arbor screw is tight to the drive shaft, and recheck it periodically when turning out of balance pieces that cause the unit to vibrate.  I also use a speed reducer on mine that takes the speed down to 100 rpm.

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Reply #13 - Feb 5th, 2010 at 11:13am
 
Hi brothers, Thanks for the input. I am from Bethlehem GA. and can use all the tips on  lathes & tools. I imagine the smith turning at 100 rpm would solve alot of problems. I have used my friends Jet, big improvment from the smith.
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Reply #14 - Feb 5th, 2010 at 3:18pm
 
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Reply #15 - Feb 5th, 2010 at 11:04pm
 
Thanks Chuck, I just went to that site. Sure wish I could find a like new Jet 16x42 at a good price. Feebay has them new for about $17oo, that hurts for a poor man with a disabled wife. Hoping for some devine intervention smilies=bowdown , Maybe this guy will bring help.
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Reply #16 - Feb 6th, 2010 at 5:31am
 
Herb,
You just made me remember we have a member who needs to sell everything & he's only like 1 state away from you also he's got a whole lot of stuff for a very good price. For starters a Jet 10-14 like Dave has. The members name is  JR Horsley it's in the classified section.

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Reply #17 - Feb 6th, 2010 at 1:25pm
 
Thanks Chuck but I have my heart set on a veridable speed.
  Im a believer in buying once instead of buying twice cost even more. Sometimes to get what ya need & want ya got to bite the bullet to do it.
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Reply #18 - Feb 6th, 2010 at 7:05pm
 
Very true. I took you at what you said you didn't have a lot to spend I figured this would get you turning using a good lathe. I also use a Jet mini non-vs lathe & changing speeds only takes a matter of seconds.
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Reply #19 - Feb 6th, 2010 at 7:35pm
 
I was impresed with the jet12" swing. The speeds where
270-4200 rpm. now that sounds like it would work well.
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Reply #20 - Feb 7th, 2010 at 12:50am
 
The Jet 1220VS is a work horse.  I have had mine for 18 months and love it.  It is quiet, the live center makes more noise than the rest of the lathe.

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Reply #21 - Feb 7th, 2010 at 9:16am
 
Yes, the more I look at the 12x20 the more I like it.
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Reply #22 - Feb 7th, 2010 at 4:46pm
 
Herb,
It does say 12" over the bed but it's more like 11-3/4"
It's exactly 6" from the center of the spindle to the bed you do need some room for the wood to spin.
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Reply #23 - Feb 7th, 2010 at 6:40pm
 
Is there a way to make the Jet 14x42 turn slower than
450 rpm? Be nice to get it down to 150 or 200 rpm, and have the extra size & power of the 1 hp. That would be perfection...
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Reply #24 - Feb 7th, 2010 at 7:04pm
 
Hi Herb,

A crude, but effective, method to get slower speed from the 1442 is to push the lever on past the lowest setting which will give you a bit less speed.  Some folks drill a hole to locate the pin, other just use a bungie cord to hold it down.

I think my 1442 goes down to 370 at lowest speed and I can get it to run slower using a bungie.  I don't know the exact speed but it can be worth the bother.
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Reply #25 - Feb 7th, 2010 at 8:13pm
 
The Jet 14" is variable by use of variable pully arrangement called a Reeves drive.  It has been prone to problems. (to put it mildly)

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Reply #26 - Feb 7th, 2010 at 8:37pm
 
Wow, thanks for that info. Guy has a 14 for sale I allmost bought.
Back to the 1220VS... Dont know why Jet hasent perfected its lower speeds yet.
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Reply #27 - Feb 8th, 2010 at 3:08pm
 
What exactly is wrong with the Reeves drive on the 14x42?
Is the Reeves drive on the other Jets?
  The seller of the 14x42 jet as sold it, but he said he never had a bit of trouble out of his 14x42.
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Reply #28 - Feb 8th, 2010 at 6:43pm
 
Herb Hoover wrote on Feb 8th, 2010 at 3:08pm:
What exactly is wrong with the Reeves drive on the 14x42?


As long as a reeves system is maintained, by that I mean keep clean and all set screws are keep tight their isn't anything wrongs with them, but on a wood lathe from my own experience, they have a tendency to work lose and wood dust and shavings will get into the working's of a reeves unit. At one speed the upper pulley is closed and the lower is open, then when you change speeds they swap directions and with all this movement the set screws will work lose from time to time.

With the pulley's always opening and closing, dust will get down in between the pulleys and if you don't keep them blown out they will start to wear which will cause the interlocking pulleys to wear and cause them to become lose and sloppy between them selves. The biggest problem with reeve pulleys on a wood lathe is their made from pot aluminum and if their not in an enclosed area, shaving and dust will find a way in and then you got problems...

Theirs a big differences between a step pulley system VS a reeve pulley system, the step pulley has no moving parts to gum up, but they still have set screws that need to be checked from time to time cause vibrations will cause them to work lose as well.
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Reply #29 - Feb 8th, 2010 at 7:12pm
 
Thanks Mike that was very well explained. Which Jets has the reeves? Are the reeves easy to see they are reeves? Herb
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Hey Herb, I don't know which have the reeve pulley, but here is a photo of what a reeve system and a step pulley looks like.
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Reply #31 - Feb 8th, 2010 at 8:10pm
 
That Reeves is a strange looking thing. Many Many Thanks on the pictures. Sure looks like the step pully would be more dependable & trouble free.
Looks like Jet would have interchangable step pullys so you could change to the speeds you like. Dont know why anyone would use a reeves being less reliable. I hate pot metal especially aluminium.
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Reply #32 - Feb 8th, 2010 at 8:41pm
 
Well... I have the Jet 1220VS and the Jet Jet 16 x 42 EVS, 1-1/2 HP and their both step pulley system. The mini is manily used for turning pen's which it is great for that and the 16 X 42 is for larger turning's.

Maybe some of the others on here will chim in and let you know what's on their... but I do know most if not all of the Grizzly lathe's use the reeve's system, I went through 3 set's of pulley's when I owned the grizzly.
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Reply #33 - Feb 8th, 2010 at 9:32pm
 
Thanks Mike thats some good info and much appreciated.
experience sayes it all. A good new lathe is expensive, atleast for me. Any draw back on the 16x42 dependability wise. Herb
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Herb Hoover wrote on Feb 8th, 2010 at 9:32pm:
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No Sir... I'm very pleased with it and happy I got it over any of the other lathe's in its price range. I would of loved the Monster (PM) but for almost the exact same bells and whistles... between the two... I'm Happy and I saved alot of cash and their made by the same company with the same warrentee.
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Reply #35 - Feb 9th, 2010 at 12:36am
 
And he still has somewhere to go for larger. Grin Grin  The 1442 is the only one that still has a Reeves drive.  A long time ago, they used to make a 12" lathe on a longer frame than the 1220, and that one had a Reeves drive.  I think they sized it up to the 1442 and dropped it.

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Reply #36 - Feb 9th, 2010 at 5:16am
 
Herb,
I also have the same as Wizz but my Jet mini is a non-vs model it only takes a few seconds to change pulleys. I also have the Jet 1642 EVS 1-1/2 HP & just recently used it it's smooth as glass & can hardly hear it running. The reason I got these is basically the same as Wizz.  I didn't like all the extra work & frustration of a reeves system.
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Reply #37 - Feb 9th, 2010 at 8:44am
 
Thanks guys thats some great information. Now all I have to do is sell my car to fund my lathe smiley=dankk2.gif
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I just got off the phone with JET. They said the reeves pully was in 2 models,  12x36 and 14x42.
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Reply #39 - Feb 10th, 2010 at 9:25pm
 
I bought the 12x20VS today with a Nova 3G chuck.
Awsome speed control on this jewel. Thanks for all the help on deciding which to buy.  Im in debt to you all. Thanks Herb
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Herb Hoover wrote on Feb 10th, 2010 at 9:25pm:
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Reply #41 - Feb 10th, 2010 at 11:15pm
 
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one question:  how did you turn them bowls and keep the lathe in spotless condition?? Wink Wink
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Turned the bowl on the lathe at work. My new lathe will turn tonight. Smiley
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Reply #44 - Feb 11th, 2010 at 8:00pm
 
Yep... your going to love that little Monster! Just make sure you get your piece centered as best ya can and start out on low speed and work your way up till it starts to vibrate and then back off just a tad till it stops and your good to go till you get it rounded, then ya can turn your speed up to where your comfortable with it and have at it!!!

Gongrads on the New lathe, your going to love it, that's for sure!!!
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Reply #45 - Feb 11th, 2010 at 11:11pm
 
Thanks here is my first roughed out hickory thing. Yep love the Jet.
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Reply #46 - Feb 11th, 2010 at 11:13pm
 
Another pic, not sanded yet, 7.5" x 3" ----------------------
atomic mushroom cloud bowl.
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Reply #47 - Feb 12th, 2010 at 6:12am
 
So were we right about the Jet???
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Reply #48 - Feb 12th, 2010 at 6:59am
 
Smiley Wink Cheesy Grin Shocked Cool Huh Roll Eyes Tongue Kiss smiley=slap.gif smiley=dankk2.gif smilies=bowdown Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley smilies=bowdown
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Reply #49 - Feb 12th, 2010 at 8:31am
 
Herb, that looks good, I really like the under cut rim, nicely done!  smiley=thumbsup.gif
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Reply #50 - Feb 12th, 2010 at 9:01am
 
Thanks Mike, Think I found a new hobby. Never look at wood the same again. Gona Turn the dinning room table into a bowl.    I got plans for my cherry bed too. Smiley
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Reply #51 - Feb 12th, 2010 at 10:30am
 
Herb,
You might want to talk to the wife first about that. I would hate to go to your funeral before we really got to know you. Grin
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Reply #52 - Feb 12th, 2010 at 12:24pm
 
Herb Hoover wrote on Feb 12th, 2010 at 9:01am:
Gona Turn the dinning room table into a bowl.    I got plans for my cherry bed too. Smiley


LOL... I wanna see the out come to this!!! We'll be praying for ya. smiley=beer.gif
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Reply #53 - Feb 12th, 2010 at 3:16pm
 
and what part of the dog house do you live in
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Reply #54 - Feb 12th, 2010 at 3:35pm
 
Ya your probably right about that furniture divorce thing.
  I do have some Elms, Maples, dogwoods in the front yard she might not miss, maybe.. Or better yet cut em out the neighbors yard.. Alot of trees out here at the college where I work they wont miss em. By then I could go full time bowling and wont need a job. Roll Eyes
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