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Call for safe wood turning videos
Feb 6th, 2010 at 11:47am
 
There are hundreds, maybe thousands of woodturning videos on the internet. A person can find a video on how to learn just about any technique.

Problem is there are videos out there that are down right dangerous. I've seen videos where a person can easily injure themselves or ruin their expensive tools.

Lets make Woodturner's Resource the place where a new or experienced turner to turn to to a wealth of safe woodturning videos.

If you know of a great video, please add it here.

If you are not sure that the video is safe, add it here and ask for a review.
If it is deemed unsafe it will be deleted.

If you see a video that is listed on our forum that is unsafe, please either contact one of the staff or post a message in the thread saying why it is dangerous.

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Re: Call for safe wood turning videos
Reply #1 - Feb 6th, 2010 at 7:01pm
 
Sounds good. We just can't get that guy that uses the "straightener outer" or his other tools.
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Reply #2 - Feb 6th, 2010 at 7:09pm
 
He took it down Chuck, I had it on my Favs and it's gone.  I think it had something to do with the comments that were left Grin
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Reply #3 - Feb 6th, 2010 at 7:12pm
 
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Good cause he was going to get someone hurt the way he was turning if they copied him.
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Re: Call for safe wood turning videos
Reply #4 - Feb 6th, 2010 at 8:02pm
 
In that case, it might be good to discuss what practices are very unsafe, mostly unsafe, sort of unsafe, etc. I've only watched the videos here and from people who have contributed here. I usually only go to YouTube to see great skiff crashes and such.
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Re: Call for safe wood turning videos
Reply #5 - Feb 7th, 2010 at 7:47am
 
Robert,
any of the videos from here or suggested by a member from here would give you safe practices to use. Mostly if it don't feel right for any reason STOP then try to figure out why it don't feel right. Common sense goes a long way.
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Re: Call for safe wood turning videos
Reply #6 - Feb 7th, 2010 at 11:32am
 
I think it is a great idea to start a discussion what can be deemed at various levels of safety. One example might be the use of cloth to apply a finish. some on here have used methods that they feel very safe with, while others would never use cloth. Of course, Chuck mentioned the biggest rule - if it doesnt feel right, don't do it. A discussion however might point out something that others are doing that they hadn't considered
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Reply #7 - Feb 7th, 2010 at 3:03pm
 
I don't think using a cloth to put a finish on is all that bad as long as you don't wrap it around a finger.  Some of the heavier paper towels used by some won't tear fast enough if it gets caught either.  I use gloves to turn sometimes but for some that is a big no no.  They are tight to my hands and have a velcro strap at the wrist.  I consider this safe but to others maybe totally unsafe.  My turning jacket has vecro strap at the wrist as well.  What are some of the things you guys do that you find safe but others may not.

BTW Chuck, sometimes I use the staightener outer but I usually use the rounder when I turn bowls.  Then I use the rotory smoothing tool thing but I turn on my duster taker outer first.   Grin Grin Grin Grin

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Re: Call for safe wood turning videos
Reply #8 - Feb 7th, 2010 at 3:55pm
 
This is a great idea.

I only had on line videos to watch, to learn woodturning and ended up doing some ( I realise now ) realy stupid things and am very lucky to not have been injured. ( I live a very long way from anyone really ).

Some well known turners have a large selection of tutorials, would it be possible to name these, as safe turners, or would that make those, not named, think that WR were saying that they are in the UNsafe catagory.

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Re: Call for safe wood turning videos
Reply #9 - Feb 7th, 2010 at 3:56pm
 
Hi:
Personally, I think that there is perhaps as much to be learned from the "unsafe" videos as the "safe" ones.  They are certainly likely to spark a much longer and more informative thread, although there is always the danger of the thread devolving into a flame war between those who think the particular technique is highly dangerous and those who don't.  At the very least the ensuing discussion will give new turners added insight into why some practices are considered dangerous and alternative methods that can be used.

Then there is the problem of "who decides?"  I saw a posting  titled "Scary" in one non-woodturning forum I frequent that referenced my video on turning a ball & cup toy.  The poster was outraged that I used my thumb in a trailing position on top of the turning cylinder to check to see if it was completely down to round as well as a couple of other points that I still don't see any problem with.  If he were in charge of deciding then there wouldn't be any woodturning videos because he could always find something he considered dangerous.  By the same token there are quite likely things I do that I am comfortable with that many would consider at least risky if not outright dangerous.

I am just not sure if "deleting" the videos is the best course.  Flagging controversial videos in some fashion and encouraging discussion of the offending points might be more educational.  If you see me or anyone else in a video doing something that gives you concern please post a question in the thread to get a discussion started.

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Re: Call for safe wood turning videos
Reply #10 - Feb 7th, 2010 at 4:03pm
 
All good points Bob.

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Re: Call for safe wood turning videos
Reply #11 - Feb 7th, 2010 at 4:33pm
 
A well thought out response Bob.

I am looking forward to many a months worth out of this thread, also a great deal of learning, no doubt. I still cut corners and no doubt do plenty of risky things, so I for one need to be reminded/told/taught the dangers.
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Re: Call for safe wood turning videos
Reply #12 - Feb 7th, 2010 at 11:09pm
 
Bob Hamilton wrote on Feb 7th, 2010 at 3:56pm:
Hi:
Personally, I think that there is perhaps as much to be learned from the "unsafe" videos as the "safe" ones.  They are certainly likely to spark a much longer and more informative thread, although there is always the danger of the thread devolving into a flame war between those who think the particular technique is highly dangerous and those who don't.  At the very least the ensuing discussion will give new turners added insight into why some practices are considered dangerous and alternative methods that can be used.

Then there is the problem of "who decides?"  I saw a posting  titled "Scary" in one non-woodturning forum I frequent that referenced my video on turning a ball & cup toy.  The poster was outraged that I used my thumb in a trailing position on top of the turning cylinder to check to see if it was completely down to round as well as a couple of other points that I still don't see any problem with.  If he were in charge of deciding then there wouldn't be any woodturning videos because he could always find something he considered dangerous.  By the same token there are quite likely things I do that I am comfortable with that many would consider at least risky if not outright dangerous.

I am just not sure if "deleting" the videos is the best course.  Flagging controversial videos in some fashion and encouraging discussion of the offending points might be more educational.  If you see me or anyone else in a video doing something that gives you concern please post a question in the thread to get a discussion started.

Take care
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I like this approach best. A lot can be learned even from watching someone do something "wrong". The ensuing conversation will enlighten a novice (or ill advised veteran), not only that something is "wrong" or "dangerous", but why.
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Re: Call for safe wood turning videos
Reply #13 - Feb 8th, 2010 at 9:53am
 
In my life's experience, I've found it just as valuable to know what not to do as it is to know what to do, if not more so. I don't think we do anyone any favors by isolating them from someone else's mistakes or unsafe behavior. We should, I feel, point out what is not safe and why. Some think that if we don't show certain things, then people won't know they exist or try them out. I've never found this to be the case. Somehow someone either learns something wrong or stumbles into it.

I'd be OK with marking topic or videos as being unsafe with a full disclaimer why.
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Re: Call for safe wood turning videos
Reply #14 - Feb 8th, 2010 at 1:16pm
 
There are many different styles of turning and there are some outright dangerous ones! It is hard for someone new to discern which are safe and without guidance, they may learn bad practices at the least.

Ive seen videos where the turner was totally confident in their ability but I just shook my head. I think that discussion of added videos is a good idea as a minimum and possibly a probationary status until they were deemed "Approved" by WR staff or enough members.

What Robert said is true, that seeing how not to do things can be an aid also.
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Reply #15 - Feb 8th, 2010 at 8:23pm
 
I'd be OK with marking topic or videos as being unsafe with a full disclaimer why.


Actually, I don't think we should mark videos as unsafe or safe. It would seem that by doing so, it adds a liablity to the forum.
" But, Judge... I watched a video and the WR said it was a safe way to do it. Next thing you know I have a chisel sticking out of my cheek and a hunk of wood sticking out of my chest. I really wouldn't have done it if those guy who I consider pros hadn't told me it was safe to do that way"

On top of that as Bob stated you are going to have people of different comfort levels who will consider it dangerous to even own a lathe and others who will think it is artist expression to throw lawn darts at a spinning bowl to see what happens.

My opinion is that each video be taken on a stand alone basis and comments be made as to what members consider safe and or unsafe about each. It will help highlight both safe and unsafe practices that all can learn from.

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Reply #16 - Feb 9th, 2010 at 9:34am
 
It would probably not server to just mark something as safe or not safe. What I think would make sense is a short blurb on what is generally accepted as being the correct procedure and leave it at that. To many, simply sticking a chunk of wood on a lathe where the wood is only pinned between centers and then spinning it to start shaving off wood is totally unsafe. I wonder if they ever get out of bed.

I know that there are those that go years doing things against prevailing thought without problems and then others that do it once and find out the hard way why people discourage working that way but there should be some middle ground where we can give some guidelines to follow.

We don't need safety Nazis patrolling, just some simple, generally accepted, concise guidelines and statements.
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Reply #17 - Sep 14th, 2011 at 7:36am
 
Unfortunately, some of the best videos offered by some of the finest turners have a good many "do as I say, not as I do" elements. One of the world's most renowned turners is especially guilty of this.  Something that I see a lot of , is moving the tool rest while the lathe is still turning at high speed. Also, putting your hands on an object while it is still spinning is a precarious practice at best. I guess that my all time favorite was the turner who would remove the cap from his CA bottle with his mouth. Not only are the fumes dangerous, but sooner or later, I figure, the bottle or cap will be stuck to his lips.
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There is also those videos that I believe are safe but they demonstrate improper  tool techniques
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Reply #22 - Apr 10th, 2016 at 1:34pm
 
Al Wasser wrote on Apr 10th, 2016 at 1:20pm:
There is also those videos that I believe are safe but they demonstrate improper  tool techniques


That's a tough call Al, obviously improper tool use can be unsafe but it's not always that simple.
Many people use the same tool in different ways, ways I would never consider because I wouldn't feel safe using them in that manner. I might consider it an improper technique, but for some is a "normal" or usual way to use a tool.

And just a friendly reminder to everyone,
Just because someone posts a video, does not mean they are any type of authority on a particular subject, it just means they can post a video.
Please, do some research, watch several videos on the same subject and if you don't feel safe or have a question about anything, please ask a question beforehand.
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Reply #23 - Apr 11th, 2016 at 6:53am
 
I think the idea is a little pompous. What is safe for an experienced turner could easily be considered unsafe for a newbie. Jimmy Clewes is a good example. Everyone knows he spins his pieces faster than many experienced turners. His techniques could easily be considered unsafe. How many experienced turners do so without respiratory protection? How many use power sanders without ear protection? Both of those practices will bodily harm, period.  If you're going to eliminate every video that a person could find an unsafe practice in you may as well delete the videos forum. At the very least it's a slippery slope.

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Reply #24 - Apr 11th, 2016 at 12:48pm
 
FWIW, this thread is 6 years old and we haven't deleted a video unless it was a commercial to sell products without the manufacturer/company becoming a business sponsor first.

The main hope of this thread was, and still is, to open dialogue as to what may or may not be safe.

What I find curious is that you are calling us out for the same thing you are doing on your videos. The trailer to your videos reads
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