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Turning a small Acorn Box
Nov 21st, 2010 at 9:35am
 
I have to say, I'm not thrilled with way this person handles his tools. I think some of his techniques are not to be desired.

The one thing he does right is jam chucks and I wanted Doug to see this procedure.



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Reply #1 - Nov 22nd, 2010 at 10:43am
 
That guy does seem like he would be as comfortable with a skew or a sharpened screwdriver... whichever he had closest at hand.

A long time ago a turner here (Jerry...can't remember his forum name at the time) taught me about jamb chucks and I'm glad... they are just so useful for so many projects.
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Reply #2 - Nov 22nd, 2010 at 8:00pm
 
I think I have seen all of this guys Videos and he makes some nice stuff and has some good information for newbies and few for the more experienced.  smiley=beer.gif smiley=thumbsup.gif

Sadly tool usage is not one of them, but like I say, I have learned a lot of tecniques from him, so thanks to him for that. Free info is always good for me, I just shy away from tool tecnique on a lot of them.  Huh
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Reply #3 - Nov 23rd, 2010 at 6:50am
 
Hacksaw on the moving wood, maybe it's just me but that's scary.  Roughing with the skew, then the roughing gouge shows up later - wow.
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Reply #4 - Nov 23rd, 2010 at 7:39am
 
Lark Leazar wrote on Nov 23rd, 2010 at 6:50am:
Hacksaw on the moving wood, maybe it's just me but that's scary.  Roughing with the skew, then the roughing gouge shows up later - wow.


I'm a newbie... but both the hacksaw and the "roughing skew" gave me a bit of a pucker... seems like a good way to get hurt.

I guess its like moving the tool rest while the lathe is running, a lot of folks get comfortable enough that they figure its no big deal.
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Reply #5 - Nov 23rd, 2010 at 9:44am
 
Lark Leazar wrote on Nov 23rd, 2010 at 6:50am:
Hacksaw on the moving wood, maybe it's just me but that's scary.  Roughing with the skew, then the roughing gouge shows up later - wow.

I feel the same way, I even tried it once with Alan Lacer looking over my shoulder. I'll use my thin parting tool thank you.

Rafael Gomez wrote on Nov 23rd, 2010 at 7:39am:
the "roughing skew" gave me a bit of a pucker

Are you talking about 4:37 time frame? If so, I do that too, but I make it a point of moving away from the chuck when I'm about 2" from metal, not towards it.

At time frame 5:44 he's using that big honking spindle roughing gouge and moving towards the chuck! Yikes! One slip and that is going to hurt. I would use a 3/8" bowl gouge (English measurement) to start forming the outside.
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Re: Turning a small Acorn Box
Reply #6 - Nov 23rd, 2010 at 9:54am
 
I don't usually comment on videos, since the end result is the ultimate goal, BUT..
I think it's safe to say this guy has no formal training, and there is nothing wrong with that. I do think however, he needs a refresher course in grain orientation and direction. Sometimes there is no easy way to avoid making an uphill or against the grain cut, but this turner seems to specialize in them. Using tools like this, he is just asking for trouble and/or injury.
I don't see a problem with the hacksaw method.
Just my two cents.
Everybody is different and does things there own way. Right or wrong can be somewhat sujective. Just be safe
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Reply #7 - Nov 23rd, 2010 at 1:43pm
 
Anytime that I use a tool towards the chuck, say when using a Skew long point down to smooth the wood, I always make sure that I have a large ridge in the wood to stop the tool hitting the Chuck, if I goof it up a bit ! Which is quite a lot hehehehhe Angry
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Reply #8 - Nov 23rd, 2010 at 5:01pm
 
Leo,

Try lowering the handle of the skew and lead with the short point down.  You'll be riding the bevel and will have less chance of a catch.  I found this difficult because of the handle position so I held the handle near the ferrule and that felt less 'exaggerated'.
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Reply #9 - Nov 23rd, 2010 at 7:17pm
 
Brendan, it's probably just me, but I find it much easier and safer when Skewin' from right to left, to have the long point down, the tool can then lay along the tool rest a bit,  at about 45 degrees or more, instead of just over the top of it. Just feels better to me and double the amount of tool laying on the rest. I don't usually explain myself too well, I wish I had a digital video recorder to help me explain myself better. Cry
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Reply #10 - Nov 24th, 2010 at 9:59am
 
I have to agree with you on the tool handleing. But on the other hand he does have some good ideas.
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Reply #11 - Nov 24th, 2010 at 10:28am
 
I have watched this a few times to see what the fuss was about..... to be honest, the only major thing is the use of the big gouge that was a bit nerve wracking to watch. And while cutting up hill didn't seem to really be needed when he was doing it it is a small thing.
Skew use next to the chuck.... I do it all the time, however generally moving away from the chuck or straight in to even something up.
The whole safety in tool handling generally IMO has to do with having control of the tools, which he does have. Probably not a good thing to new turners who are still a little nervous about doing it though.

He ended up with a nice piece and like it or not, that is the puddin. 
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Re: Turning a small Acorn Box
Reply #12 - Nov 24th, 2010 at 11:34am
 
Leo,

I understand now.  I was thinking of catches but, if I have this right, the long point is below the work.  I never thought of that approach.
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Re: Turning a small Acorn Box
Reply #13 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 8:50pm
 
That is small compared to the ones I'm making. I do mine a bit different as well.  I cut 2 blocks, one lid 3 x 3 x 2, one bottom 3 x 3 x 2 1/2.  Between centers for both and tenon cut.  Chuck up tenon do hollowing on bottom, and just inside the lip put a 3/16" recess for chucking to finish up the outside shape.  Same goes for the lid.  I have a lot less wood waste this way.  If you wanted to go small, you could use pin jaws.
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Re: Turning a small Acorn Box
Reply #14 - Dec 21st, 2010 at 5:31am
 
I also agree that his tool selection and direction had me scratching my head a few times. Also, is it just me, or did his tools seem pretty dull? They sounded like they were scraping more than cutting.
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Reply #15 - Dec 22nd, 2010 at 6:36am
 
What gives with applying wax or whatever with the sandpaper.  That's the first time I have seen that.
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Reply #16 - Dec 22nd, 2010 at 5:14pm
 
Lubricates the sandpaper and creates a slurry that is worked into any pores that the wood may have.  Pretty effective.  Quick and looks good, but really is a soft finish that will not last very long. 
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Re: Turning a small Acorn Box
Reply #17 - Dec 24th, 2010 at 10:58am
 
The hack saw (Starret Parting tool) is an ancient technique -  may be safer than the parting tool with a thin kerf and cuts the grain nicely. 

High tension frame and bimetalic blades make it pretty fool proof.  nice for matching grain.

wax sanding produces a wax swarf - but mineral spirits cleans things up well and allow a different finish later.  I use shellac wash coat over the mineral spirits cleaned surface.

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Reply #18 - Dec 24th, 2010 at 11:24am
 
With the hack saw, you need to have the teeth point towards the handle which is opposite of normal
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Reply #19 - Dec 24th, 2010 at 3:42pm
 
Lark Leazar wrote on Nov 23rd, 2010 at 6:50am:
Hacksaw on the moving wood, maybe it's just me but that's scary.  Roughing with the skew, then the roughing gouge shows up later - wow.


I use a skew for roughing more often than a roughing gouge... probably 99% of the time. When you get the hang of it you can go from a rough cut piece of split wood to a smooth as a baby's butt finish with the same tool and in less time.


I also part with a hacksaw and a coping saw with the blades turned around backwards... never had any issues or safety concerns with either.
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Reply #20 - Dec 24th, 2010 at 4:10pm
 
Donnie Kennedy wrote on Dec 24th, 2010 at 3:42pm:
I use a skew for roughing more often than a roughing gouge... probably 99% of the time. When you get the hang of it you can go from a rough cut piece of split wood to a smooth as a baby's butt finish with the same tool and in less time.



Same here. I start with a peeling cut then planing cut.

I've also used the planing cut with the spindle roughing gouge.
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Reply #21 - Dec 24th, 2010 at 8:13pm
 
Ron... I was one of those guys who had a really bad first couple of experiences with the skew and avoided that thing for a while but then my hard headedness kicked in and I decided that I was going to make that (edited out) work for me.

With the exception of a couple of message boards and YouTube videos, I am self taught, so it took a while to get the hang of it, but it sure does pay off now.

I guess the game changer was just looking at it and thinking about how the skew works (as a cutting edge) and being able to anticipate how it will react to whatever position I put it in. Once you get to the point that you can feel the catch developing, you can make the necessary corrections on the fly to stop it from actually happening.

Because I know how it works, even after not touching the skew for nearly 2 years, I've pretty much picked up where I left off and it is still my go-to tool... I have has a few of the bone head catches during my re-introduction period, but I think I'm over that for the most part. I know it's still going to happen here and there, but that's just part of turning.
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Reply #22 - Dec 26th, 2010 at 10:16am
 
A skew is my most often used tool, my thin, small skew is the one of four that is most likely to give me a catch. It is fantastic for detail work, but responds instantly to the tiniest change in position or angle. Let down your guard even a little bit and its evil side surfaces with a deep most inappropriate spiral.

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