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Re: Pocket mirrors / make-up compact mirror
Reply #30 - 09/13/11 at 23:12:36
 
Looking good Christina!  thumbsup  Those pre-drilled magnets also look pretty cool.

Your "hinge" idea sounds fine (and seems to match the "pin" part of Eric's idea).  But if there is only a single hinge, what will keep the lid closed over the mirror?  That's where the "magnet" part of Eric's idea comes in.

Across from the hinge you could embed a small magnet in each piece with opposing North/South poles so they will attract each other.  When you swing the lid closed on its hinge - zap! - the facing magnets will keep the lid securely in place.
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Reply #31 - 09/14/11 at 05:45:40
 
How about you take two rivets of a size that will fit your stock and then peen over a small piece of brass bar to make the hinges. Then two magnets on the opposed side to keep them closed?

Jim, with a small enough rare earth magnet it will hold and should not cause any trouble, I worried about that with the Magnetic Vortex pens but no one has reported a problem.  Or else Christina can recess the mirrors slightly and leave a small tennon on the cover the same size as the mirror and it would fit into the recess over the mirror and keep it closed.
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Reply #32 - 09/14/11 at 07:06:41
 
Kerry Burton wrote on 09/13/11 at 23:12:36:
Across from the hinge you could embed a small magnet in each piece with opposing North/South poles so they will attract each other.  When you swing the lid closed on its hinge - zap! - the facing magnets will keep the lid securely in place.



this is what i was thinking.  Hinge on one side, magnets opposite to hold the mirror closed. 

how small of a magnet should i go for?
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Reply #33 - 09/14/11 at 07:31:23
 
Christina Gurnham wrote on 09/14/11 at 07:06:41:
how small of a magnet should i go for?

Great question, but one I can't answer from experience.  Undecided

Anyone?
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Reply #34 - 09/14/11 at 09:25:51
 
I got some 1/16" in an assortment from  Think Geek and I have used them to keep a number of lids on or metal items in place.

They should work real well for you, depending on how big your wedding is you may have enough to put two on each side of the lid and keep it in place with out the hinge with one assortment.
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Reply #35 - 09/14/11 at 20:52:38
 
Unfortunately,  my sketches are worse than my descriptions, but what I was picturing looks very much like a dust cover over a key hole. After seeing the pics of your mirrors, I'm not real sure if it would work unless you used a bigger rim outside of the mirror. I will try to describe what I am thinking though.

If you take your two mirrors, and set them together, mirror to mirror, they will be touching at the bead of the rim. At some point where they meet, a hole for a pivot pin can be drilled into each piece, and the pin would span between them. 180 degrees from the pin holes, you can recess magnets with polar opposites exposed. now you have a hinge and catch, but rather than opening like a clam shell, the pieces are swiveled to open. when looking into the mirror, you see one round mirror, and one round wood back.

the problem comes in how to hide the pivot pin, and still secure it... the only idea I can come up with is drilling the holes all the way through, drive a brass pin through, and cut it off just slightly proud of the wood. lightly ping the brass to form a bit of a mushroom, and polish the brass. It will leave the brass exposed, but I cant think of a way to hide it, and not come apart. Of course, if you wanted to camouflage the pivot pin, you could install dummy pins all around the piece, and it will look like it was part of the design (jimmy clewes did a video demonstrating this in one of his bowls.)
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Reply #36 - 09/18/11 at 23:38:28
 
By now this whole topic probably belongs in a different area, but what the heck?

I completed a pair of "pocket" mirrors yesterday, from a single 3/4" thickness of scrap.  I used double-stick tape to mount the blank to a scrap block on a faceplate.

I wish I knew what kind of wood it is; don't remember where or how I picked it up.

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This last photo is for anyone who's curious about the photo background.  It's just a 4-year-old chunk of straight-off-the-chainsaw sycamore.  Smiley
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Reply #37 - 09/19/11 at 02:37:57
 
Kerry,
Very well done.   thumbsup
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Reply #38 - 09/19/11 at 21:41:08
 
Kerry Burton wrote on 09/18/11 at 23:38:28:
By now this whole topic probably belongs in a different area, but what the heck?

I completed a pair of "pocket" mirrors yesterday, from a single 3/4" thickness of scrap.  I used double-stick tape to mount the blank to a scrap block on a faceplate.

I wish I knew what kind of wood it is; don't remember where or how I picked it up.

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This last photo is for anyone who's curious about the photo background.  It's just a 4-year-old chunk of straight-off-the-chainsaw sycamore.  Smiley
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Kerry those mirrors are amazing!  I have some questions - 1 - how do you get the backside to be so flat?  my mirrors have like this bubble in the center.  Do you use a sander  Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register to remove the bump?  Also another issue I have had - when i put a finish on you can see tiny little concentric circles in the finish - what am i doing wrong?  these always seem to appear when i am face turning

so i was able to do an inlay of the rose pattern -  i think it looks good but there is definitely room for improvement.  see i stack cut the rose on top of the mirror blank with the scroll saw.  it ended up leaving some gaps between where the rose fit in and the mirror blank.  so i mixed up some maple wood dust and I filled in the gaps so the rose would fit.  and it does its job I'm just not to sure about how it looks.  that and the mirror has a that bubble in the back of it and i'm not sure how to finish that (and the finish streaks).  but i think for a test piece it works.  i think when i try it next i'll glue up the rose and then trace the rose outline onto the mirror blank.  Then i'll cut out the outline from the mirror blank and glue the rose in.  hopefully that'll be a tighter, cleaner look

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but i also used tightbond III with the wood dust so i think that also makes the outline on the rose stand out too much (i think tightbond III stands out like a sore thumb).

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Reply #39 - 09/19/11 at 23:24:37
 
Christina Gurnham wrote on 09/19/11 at 21:41:08:
Kerry those mirrors are amazing!

Awww shucks....  Roll Eyes


Christina Gurnham wrote on 09/19/11 at 21:41:08:
how do you get the backside to be so flat? [...] Do you use a sander [...] to remove the bump?

Diet and exercise, of course!  No ... wait ... wrong answer.  Embarrassed
I do sand the backs flat, but not with a power tool.  Here's my "secret"!

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A few things to remember:
  • The "sanding stick" should be FLAT
  • Both the stick and the sandpaper should (ideally) be longer than the diameter of what you're trying to flatten.
  • While sanding, try to keep the sandpaper in contact with the workpiece "from rim to rim".  It's almost impossible to get a finished surface that's anything BUT flat this way.
  • As with all sanding on the lathe, keep the abrasive in motion!  A moderate amount of movement will do; I find that moving my hand in a small clockwise circle (against the rotation of the workpiece) helps keep things under control.


Christina Gurnham wrote on 09/19/11 at 21:41:08:
Also another issue I have had - when i put a finish on you can see tiny little concentric circles in the finish - what am i doing wrong?  these always seem to appear when i am face turning

I'm gonna fall back on "sanding basics":
  • Don't change grits until all scratches from the previous (coarser) grit have been removed, and all remaining scratches are consistent with the current grit.
  • Before changing to the next grit, hand sand (with the lathe off) with the grain to help remove cross-grain  scratches
  • Wipe off the workpiece in between grits.  You don't want to have stray 100-grit granules left on the surface as you press against the workpiece with 150 grit.
  • Don't "skip grits".  Each succeeding grit should be about 1.5 times the number of the previous one.
  • Proceed to a higher grit than you think is sufficient.  On  my mirrors I used sandpaper from 120 to 220, 320, 400; then switched to soft Abralon pads for 500, 1000, 2000, 4000.


Christina Gurnham wrote on 09/19/11 at 21:41:08:
so i was able to do an inlay of the rose pattern -  i think it looks good but there is definitely room for improvement.

Hey - that looks very nice.  Your next ones should be knockouts!  thumbsup


Christina Gurnham wrote on 09/19/11 at 21:41:08:
i stack cut the rose on top of the mirror blank with the scroll saw.  it ended up leaving some gaps between where the rose fit in and the mirror blank.

I'm not much of a scrollsawyer, but you might want to try tilting the table a few degrees when you stack cut.  It's not very intuitive, but you end up making a hole and an insert with matching, angled sides ... when you do it right the piece pops right into the hole and level with the background surface.

The table angle you use depends on the thickness of the work, and you have to cut in the right direction ... either clockwise or counter-clockwise, I can't remember which.


Christina Gurnham wrote on 09/19/11 at 21:41:08:
i think when i try it next i'll glue up the rose and then trace the rose outline onto the mirror blank.  Then i'll cut out the outline from the mirror blank and glue the rose in.  hopefully that'll be a tighter, cleaner look

Try a couple of practice pieces with the "tilted table" method.  (There must be several good online sources of info on it.)


Christina Gurnham wrote on 09/19/11 at 21:41:08:
i think tightbond III stands out like a sore thumb).

Yeah, I can imagine.  Isn't TB3 kind of a brown color to begin with?


Christina Gurnham wrote on 09/19/11 at 21:41:08:
pretty good so far.

I'll say!  You're only a step or two away from "Ooh la la" greatness!  Cool
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Reply #40 - 09/19/11 at 23:33:42
 
The astute observer already got a preview in my previous post, but here goes....

In uncharacteristic fashion, I charged ahead today and created another "pocket" mirror ... this time using quartersawn sycamore for the frame, and a 3-inch mirror.  Here it is along with my first two - lying on the other side of that same sycamore slab background:

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QUESTION:  I'd really like to keep this one as clear / pale as possible, so I don't think I'll use an oil finish.  I have some spray (can) lacquer ... do I need to treat the wood with anything before I apply the lacquer?  I have some spray (can) sealer as well ... maybe use that first, or does it matter?
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Reply #41 - 09/23/11 at 13:18:23
 
Hey Kerry,
Thanks so much for your sanding tips!  the block was very insightful - something i never thought of using.  I don't feel that the wood is filled with scratch marks so much as there's something going on when i apply the finish (because i do move my hands around when sanding, and before the finishes go on i slowly build up to a 600 grit.  at least now i know how to make them flat!

So i slowly sand to a 600 grit and then i put a coat of sanding sealer (Mylands), shellac, and then  Friction Polish (mylands again)

I have never seen this Royal Finish by general.  where did you get it?

as for gettign a clear finish.  i've tried spray lacquer before but it smells some kind of awful (i'll use a respirator next time) and you need like 5-10 coats to get it done right.  Take a bit of time to dry and seal.  what about a clear polyurethane?
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Reply #42 - 09/23/11 at 13:28:38
 
The shellac is redundant.  Just use the Mylands friction polish right over the sanding sealer.
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Reply #43 - 10/03/11 at 11:25:27
 
Christina Gurnham wrote on 09/23/11 at 13:18:23:
I have never seen this Royal Finish by general.  where did you get it?


Sorry - took a while to make myself collect the info.

As I recall, I bought these cans of GF at Woodcraft many years ago.  I bought the bottle on a subsequent trip, not realizing that it was the same stuff.  I looked for "Royal Finish" on the GF website a few days ago, but couldn't find it.

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Reply #44 - 10/04/11 at 05:54:11
 
Just a quick tip:  The mirrors available at the craft stores are round, but the edges haven't been seamed and you can see the variations in the edge of the mirror when it's glued in the recess.  It looks... well, cheap.  The trick is to use a permanent black marker and coat both the edge of the mirror and the edge of the recess. (Finish the wood first!)  This kills the "sparkle" of the un-seamed edge and gives the mirror a classy appearance without paying 3-5 dollars for the high grade mirrors.

For hinging:  I'm with Jim.  NO MAGNETS!  Better, a small wood screw is screwed into the lid, and a matching hole is in the main body.  The protuding screw is glued into the hole and the "hinge" works by turning the lid "off" the screw.  It might take a bit of work to find the right wood screw and perhaps a jig to align the holes, but once set up, you have an invisible hinge that is a mechanical joint.  Magnets that are strong enough to hold the lid in place are strong enough to scramble magnetic strips in credit cards.  Not that the two could ever come together in a woman's purse...   Roll Eyes

Edit:  By rotating the lid and uncovering the mirror, the lid also becomes a "handle". Wink
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