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Turned Childrens Sippy Cups?
05/08/12 at 23:25:22
 
We had a request for a set of wood cups for a young child. A lot of people around here are shying from plastics, and are moving towards natural products. I wondered if Maple would be a wise choice for this? I have a few measuring cups made from cherry that started the customers interest. My experience with Cherry has lead me to believe that it would be more prone to splintering than maple and possibly be better long term with the constant liquid exposure. When it comes to a rattle or something like that, I don't have much cause for concern, as the time the wood is wet, is so minimal that the grain raising isn't very likely. I finish my stuff with beeswax and mineral oil melted together and buff the excess of with a clean cloth. Is this an adequate finish for a child's cup? I would think it wise to raise the grain numerous times before applying the finish. I am very curious to see what the more experienced opinions are on this matter. Thank you so much in advance.  beer
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Reply #1 - 05/09/12 at 08:11:19
 
I think the trend towards more natural products is probably good.  But as I've been told in master gardener class  Natural doesn't mean safe.  I would be concerned with rattles made with the rose woods as parts.  I would suggest you get a copy of wood toxicity charts.  here's one   Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Registerthe AAW has a link to another.  You'll be more confident in your choice if you do.

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Reply #2 - 05/09/12 at 10:05:42
 
I think you'll be fine with either Maple or Cherry.
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Reply #3 - 05/09/12 at 17:53:29
 
No no and no again.  Natural is great but not as chew toys for kids and that includes tippy cups with the little spout.  Juices with acids such as orange juice and tomato juice are not a good choice for wooden vessels either. Just my humble opinion as a retired educator.
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Reply #4 - 05/09/12 at 17:56:31
 
be very careful with rattles for children.  if it can fit through a toilet paper tube, it is too small and thus a chocking hazard.
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Reply #5 - 05/10/12 at 09:47:11
 
I will pick a bit at the Beeswax and Mineral Oil  --  The beeswax has a little ability to slow the movement of moisture into the wood, but the mineral oil is used to make the stuff go in easier for the woodworker.  Beeswax is not an especially good wax either -- but has a lot of tradition behind it -- Mostly because that was what was available.  (I was  beekeeper for a lot of years an did some study on the subject).

Shellac would be better (that is the stuff used in the coatings on M&Ms) for a 'NATURAL" finish - with a wax over it perhaps. 

Personally, I like the ability of epoxy or urethanes to stay in the pores of the wood and keep the microorganisms from finding a home there.   A "stand oil" (polymerized linseed oil like true oil or tried and true oil) and CA finish will also be durable, and it forms a urethane in the surface of the wood.

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Reply #6 - 05/10/12 at 10:31:16
 
IMO - wood sippy cups is not a good idea for children.
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Reply #7 - 05/10/12 at 11:04:10
 
I think I would agree with Ron about wooden cups for kids. I'm aware that there were times in our history where many cups were of wood but today, I think there are better uses for wood.

Also, I'm not fond of using waxes where they come in contact with water. If you were to coat them, I'm more in favor of an epoxy resin or I've used plexiglass disolved in acetone but that finish isn't good for large projects because the acetone evaporates too quickly. But then you're also back to a plastic finish.

I think maple would be one of the better woods to use if you follow through with the idea.
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Reply #8 - 05/10/12 at 11:57:01
 
If you are determined to do this, I would use Russ Fairfield's "No-Finish" finish.  Sand through the grits up through 2000, burnish with craft paper, burnish with a horse hair brush.  You're done.  You'll have a shine like new money.  Only problem is that after a few uses that burnished surface will begin to soften and you will begin to see raised grain once again.  A good waxing might help, but you will loose it for a child's cut before too long. 

Maple and Cherry are two of the better woods we have here in the US.  Hard maple might be the very best.  The major universities have studied wood and its use in food prep and serving.  What they have found over and over is that wood has an anti-biotic characteristic that seems to be beyond understanding at times.  Harmful microbes simply will not survive in the wood like they will in the cuts in plastic and other surfaces.
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Reply #9 - 05/10/12 at 18:19:21
 

For those interested in the research and the qualifications, Dr. Dean Cliver did the work and a google search will locate a summary paper of the research he did for USDA.  The work was done on cutting boards, which have predominate face grain. 

Dr Cliver has done notable research on water borne pathogens and is well respected in the field. 

That said, I am still concerned because of the difference in use and materials, and because the use of cups and children is notably different that the cutting board situation which did not get into molds and organizms which were not of concern in the meat cutting/cleaning study done by Dr. Cliver.
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Reply #10 - 05/10/12 at 20:28:44
 
Im actually very familiar with the Research Cliver has done, in fact I've written a Theseus in the last 6 months, using Dr Cliver's research as a source multiple times. I was a little inconclusive on some of the aspects of his research, and for that reason have been conducting additional research. I am am fortunate enough to have a microbiologist at my side, Laurel Belsito from Chico CA, who is helping with the "finer aspects". Very interesting subjects for those involved in any wooden kitchenware production. My business, Sugarbeat & Co. Woodwork is primarily a kitchenware manufacture, we specialize in butcher block tables, cutting boards and cabinetry (as well as other types of furniture). So the subject has sparked my interest for obvious reasons. I appreciate all the input from everyone, I agree that wooden cups are not the most orthodox of creations, and if I decide to approach that, it will be very carefully. As sue happy as Californians are, I just assume step away from the project all together. Again, thank you all for the info, Ive learned a thing or two with this post.  beer
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