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"Breaking" Segmented Rules
Apr 8th, 2013 at 7:16pm
 
So, I've been playing with segmented stuff for the last six months or so, starting out with Bob Hamilton dovetailed bowl from a board.  Came up with a new concept using thru inlays, BUT to make it work I need to have all the ring joints line up one on top of the other (not staggered or bricklayed). I know that this is a definate no-no, but the inlay effect is so cool that I want to pursue it further.  How about using small dovetails (or a glue line joint) on the rings to beef things up a little more and keep if from falling apart.  What do you all think,  or is there another work-around that I could use ?  Thanks !

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Reply #1 - Apr 8th, 2013 at 8:33pm
 
If it works for you go for it.  Rules are made to be broken!
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Reply #2 - Apr 9th, 2013 at 1:53am
 
i have not heard of this rule.  my first segmented piece was a bowl and i lined all the joints straight, not brick layer.  holding together just fine.  i also did a piece where i offset each layer by 1/8".  cool looking.

so my advice is, go for it.
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Reply #3 - Apr 9th, 2013 at 9:15am
 
It sounds like you are worried about having an end-grain, or EG to EG joint thats too long and not supported by an upper or lower ring. This can be a weak area depending on the size, shape , etc. etc.  Small dovetail would work, but most likely make the walls too thick and the piece too heavy. I would cut my segments (or what sound like horizontal staves) and cut a thing kerf for a spline. It doesn't need to be thick, maybe 1/16" thick would be enough. Once it's glued in it only has to keep the joint from shifting.
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Reply #4 - Apr 11th, 2013 at 4:51pm
 
The spline is an excellent idea Ed, I had not thought of that.  Will give it a try just as soon as my 1/16" slot cutter comes in.  Thanks for the tip.

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Reply #5 - Apr 11th, 2013 at 6:14pm
 
That's what we're here for.  Smiley
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Reply #6 - Apr 20th, 2013 at 10:57am
 
Rules?!  We don't need no stinking rules!  Standard wood working practices are all that's needed.  If your bowl is for an artistic expression then wether the joints are staggered or not is your choice.  If strength is a concern then a staggered joint, even an 1/8", will be the way to go.  I feel the only "Rule" you have to be concerned with is using consistently dry wood.
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Reply #7 - Apr 23rd, 2013 at 11:11am
 
the spline idea could be an interesting design element if it's a contrasting color....
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Reply #8 - Apr 23rd, 2013 at 12:04pm
 
Tim Hyatt wrote on Apr 23rd, 2013 at 11:11am:
the spline idea could be an interesting design element if it's a contrasting color.... 


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Reply #9 - Apr 23rd, 2013 at 6:49pm
 
Traditionally segmenting has square geometric designs.  Always trying to do it differently I designed this bowl years ago.  I think I put a how to in the TPT section.

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I think it was Ed who made a platter with a swirling design also.  So, if you have an idea, run with it, work out the details.  Go through the trail and error you'll be a better turner for it.
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Reply #10 - Apr 24th, 2013 at 6:24am
 
Walt,  I had forgot that bowl.  Fantastic,  I gotta look at the TPT and copy it.
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Reply #11 - Apr 24th, 2013 at 9:02am
 
steve rost wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 6:24am:
I gotta look at the TPT and copy it.


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Reply #12 - Apr 24th, 2013 at 6:44pm
 
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Reply #13 - Apr 30th, 2013 at 11:10pm
 
Cliff De Witt wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 9:02am:
steve rost wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 6:24am:
I gotta look at the TPT and copy it.


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Reply #14 - May 1st, 2013 at 6:50am
 
Soooo,  Thats a Wombat!
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Reply #15 - May 1st, 2013 at 12:27pm
 
Poor John, has to work hard for 90 days, first time in nine years.   Smiley

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Reply #16 - May 1st, 2013 at 7:14pm
 
Cliff De Witt wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 12:27pm:
Poor John, has to work hard for 90 days, first time in nine years.   Smiley

That's right!  I train my staff so I don't have to do anything but approve timesheets.  Can't get promoted if no one else can do your job.
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