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Sep 2nd, 2013 at 9:41pm
 
Ok... yea... this question is about... Sawdust... err.. Glue! Smiley

I am having to do some flat work and I have to glue 3/4 boards together on sides but need to cut something out of the glued boards..

The questions I have are these:

1. I have SEVERAL types of glue. (CA, Maxim Blue (Picture frame / Wood Glue, actually love this stuff when making  frames),  Gorilla (Wood & the Brown stuff) and heck.. even regular Elmers.   Can I use ANY of this for glueing these boards together as well as for segmented turning?

2. To Dowel or not to Dowel... That is the question.  I usually glue a couple of dowels in the center of each flat board just to add the "Stable" to the boards I am going to be cutting on the bandsaw.   Should I trust the glue or should I continue to dowel the boards. 

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Reply #1 - Sep 2nd, 2013 at 10:19pm
 
1.  Yes. I'd stay away from the CA.  Elmer's is just as strong as Titebond.

2.  Dowels or biscuits will always add strength.  Not knowing what you are cutting off so place them strategically so you don't cut into them.
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Reply #2 - Sep 2nd, 2013 at 10:27pm
 
what Walt said.  i like titebond II my self.
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Reply #3 - Sep 2nd, 2013 at 11:20pm
 
David Hamann wrote on Sep 2nd, 2013 at 10:27pm:
What Walt said.  I like Titebond II myself.


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Reply #4 - Sep 3rd, 2013 at 8:23am
 
I would caution when you say "regular Elmers" do you mean Elmers school glue or carpenters glue?  I thought school glue was the regular until I started wood working.  Smiley
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Reply #5 - Sep 3rd, 2013 at 9:16am
 
Len Layman wrote on Sep 3rd, 2013 at 8:23am:
Elmers school glue or carpenters glue

Carpenter's glue is formulated from Elmer's glue. Just a little color added and it dries a little faster.

Wilson Revelle wrote on Sep 2nd, 2013 at 9:41pm:
I have to glue 3/4 boards together on sides

Make sure you joint the edges to get two evenly matching surfaces.

Walt wrote on Sep 2nd, 2013 at 10:19pm:
Yes. I'd stay away from the CA

Ditto

Wilson Revelle wrote on Sep 2nd, 2013 at 9:41pm:
To Dowel or not to Dowel

While biscuits (or dowels) do add some strength, I use them more to help me with alignment.

If two boards are glued up properly the glue line is the stronger than the wood itself. Any failure is more likely to happen away from the glue line
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Reply #6 - Sep 3rd, 2013 at 10:27am
 
Ron Sardo wrote on Sep 3rd, 2013 at 9:16am:
Carpenter's glue is formulated from Elmer's glue. Just a little color added and it dries a little faster.


Although similar in formulation there are differences.  School glue has more water making it thinner.  It dries white and will not sand as well and in certain application may not have the same strength.   Kind of like Ca glue  comes in different thicknesses and even a "flexible"  although basically the same  some work better than others in different application.
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Reply #7 - Sep 3rd, 2013 at 4:08pm
 
Titebond II for your glue.  Make sure you have enough clamps and clamp it tight.

Out of your list, I wouldn't use any.  Unless you are using exotic oily wood.

Make sure you have a good board to board joint.

You need to tell us more about the glue up if dowels,etc are needed.  It is doubtful they well add any strength but will help with alignment and not allow the boards to drift while clamping.  With that said, I skip this 99% of the time.
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Reply #8 - Sep 3rd, 2013 at 7:20pm
 
Peter Elliott wrote on Sep 3rd, 2013 at 4:08pm:
Make sure you have enough clamps and clamp it tight.


but not too tight, or you will squeeze all the glue out and have a dry joint. DAMHIKT
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Reply #9 - Sep 4th, 2013 at 7:34pm
 
The glue is the Elmers White School glue...actually kinda joking about that glue. Smiley

Thanks for all the responces!!!  So much to learn still.  Adding pictures of what I am up too and maybe it will help.

The wood is Fur and the carve out stuff is Balsa.  More worried about the fur wood in the joints. 

The second pic is the glues I have... can Elmers Carpenter Glue go bad?

Third is the framing glue... I love this glue... can be sanded, dries clear, and as you can see the set time is FAST not to mention that I get a HUGE discount being I own a frame shop. 

Ill check into that Tightbond II glue to see if I can get it from my supplier.  Got to save the $$ where I can  Cheesy

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Reply #10 - Sep 4th, 2013 at 9:36pm
 
Tightbond will usually be good for several years if you keep it closed up between uses.  Gorilla Glue has a shelf life of about 1 year if you don't ever open it at all.
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Reply #11 - Sep 4th, 2013 at 10:01pm
 
The Elmer's looks like its separated.  That's why I ask.
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Reply #12 - Sep 4th, 2013 at 10:09pm
 
Wilson Revelle wrote on Sep 4th, 2013 at 10:01pm:
The Elmer's looks like its separated.

So will the joint then.
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Reply #13 - Sep 4th, 2013 at 10:41pm
 
i am going to assume that you are actually saying... Throw that crap away Smiley   So I will LOL!!!
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Reply #14 - Sep 5th, 2013 at 6:48pm
 
In my experience I agree with len. Elmers school glue seemed too thin when I tried it with segmented work.  I found the regular white Elmers glue and have been happy for years.  Also don't forget when filling small cracks with sawdust try Elmers.  It has a longer open time and has less staining of the wood!
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