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Oct 16th, 2014 at 11:00pm
 
I'm hoping that someone on here can help me with an issue I have building my new shop.  My wife has graciously allowed me to build my shop outside on a concrete pad that was originally there for a hot tub.  The issue I have is that the concrete pad is directly under a part of my upper deck that is covered.  The issue I'm having is I don't know how to do the roof in my shop.  If I take it all the way to the upper deck then I need to waterproof it.  I have no problem waterproofing it, if that's what I need to do.  But if I do waterproof it how do I connect the walls and roof of my shop to the upper deck???  Not sure if this makes a lot of sense so I drew some pictures and tomorrow when it's light out I will take some actual pictures.
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Reply #1 - Oct 16th, 2014 at 11:37pm
 
If you get me some measurements I will noodle it for a couple days. Yes you will need to waterproof your roof structure. Plain and simple, if I had me equipment going out there you bet I would try to keep as much water out as possiable. It may also be wise to contact your cities building division they may be able to help as well. Plus you will more then likely have to pull permits for electricle any ways...
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Reply #2 - Oct 17th, 2014 at 12:42pm
 
Is that deck an open deck.. not a solid plywood deck?  My first thought would be to add a layer of plywood as a new topping of the deck. Then seal the ply with poly or something.

  Maybe put down a rubber roofing layer they put down to waterproof under shingles between the existing deck wood and the layer of ply on top of it.

Running a 2x ( a header for the wall) along the outside edge of the underside of the deck will allow you to nail the wall studs in place.
Are you going to run a bead of sealer and then shoot a sill into the concrete for the base of the wall?

What are your plans for the floor of the shop? Are you going to waterproof that as well so water doesn't migrate up thru the concrete?

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Reply #3 - Oct 17th, 2014 at 1:05pm
 
Curtis-- I'll get some exact measurements in a bit.  The one measurement that I know for sure is the distance from the concrete pad to the bottom of the upper deck fourteen feet.

Ralph--The upper covered deck is an open deck.  That deck has 2x6's spaced exactly like the rest of my deck.  For the concrete deck I plan on using silicone under the sill then use tap cons to lock it down.  Then my plan for the concrete is to use that rubberized flouring that is made for garage floors.
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Reply #4 - Oct 17th, 2014 at 1:48pm
 
At least where it is, you can use a very low angle roof, most of the precipitation will be handled by the upper roof.  You will either need to waterproof the deck to use it as the roof, or leave enough space under it to allow roofing materials to be applied to a lower roof.

I hope you have gone to your local building department for all necessary permits.  I had a tax client that was blocked from selling his house because additions had been made without permits.  Took him over 4 months to get the necessary permits, inspections, and pay back taxes before he could start looking for another buyer.
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Reply #5 - Oct 17th, 2014 at 3:29pm
 
So here's what I have:

The concrete pad where the shop will go is 11'10"x11'2"  That there is 14' between the pad and the joists for the upper deck.

Below are some pics I took a few minutes ago to put everything into perspective.
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Reply #6 - Oct 17th, 2014 at 3:42pm
 
Jim-- I have not looked into permits yet because I'm not sure how the addition is going to go (how I'm going to do the roof and such).  Once I have a definitive plan I will obtain all the required permits.
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Reply #7 - Oct 17th, 2014 at 3:46pm
 
As an alternate thought, my wife and I have talked about turning one section of the finished basement into a shop area.  This would require putting up one wall with a door and installing a sub panel and electrical to fit the shop needs.  My wife's biggest concern with this is dust.  She thinks that no matter what I do I'm not going to be able to keep the dust out of the basement.  Anyone in this type of situation, if so, what are you doing for dust prevention and how much escapes into the finished portion of the house?
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Reply #8 - Oct 18th, 2014 at 10:18am
 
My dirst sugestion shane is contact your cities building division and ask as many questions of them as you can. It looks like an okay spot for a shop however there would be a lot of time money, involved in making it right. I would deffinitly put some sort of roof inplace under the decking.

As to the basement this it the route I personaly would go. No mater where your shop you will get dust in the house. From the sounds of it you will be putting up a wall so in theroy have a fairly contained area. Then get an air box ( celling airfilter ) and install it. Much cheaper in the long run Smiley I have all my stuff in the basement and it isnt horiable in the house for dust, but like I said it gets everywhere anyways Wink keep us posted. If I have any other thoughts I will post later.
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Reply #9 - Oct 18th, 2014 at 11:09am
 
I agree with Curtis. The basement with  an air box will work well.
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Reply #10 - Oct 18th, 2014 at 11:32am
 
The other thing that will help alot is to get your wife interested in turning as well. She'll be more forgiving of dust when she is in on making it. Thumbs Up

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Reply #11 - Oct 18th, 2014 at 10:59pm
 
Ralph--I love that idea but my wife is just not into my hobbies, she likes the finished products but that's about it.  On a side note, both my kids (12yo girl, 11yo boy) are interested, so that's a plus. 
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I'm leaning towards the room as well.  Last night at 5AM (I have insomnia...) I measured the space that my shop would go if I did it in the basement.  The space is about 9'4"x14', which means I wouldn't really be gaining a lot more square footage as the outside would give me about 121 square feet and the inside would give me about 130.

My only real dilemma that I run into is getting power from the panels to the room so I could get my needed 220, but I might have a plan for that.
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Reply #12 - Oct 19th, 2014 at 12:57am
 
if you go for the basement, seal every crack and hole you can find using either caulking or expansion foam. the more you seal, the less dust gets out.
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Reply #13 - Oct 19th, 2014 at 1:12am
 
David Hamann wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 12:57am:
seal every crack and hole you can find

On both sides of the wall and in the ceiling and joists.
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Reply #14 - Oct 19th, 2014 at 2:31am
 
Jim-- I don't really have access to the joists in the ceiling because it's already finished.  I am going to have to make some wholes because I have to wire it up for more lights and a receptacle for the air filtration system.  The other reason I would rather not pull all the sheetrock down is because my ceilings are right at 13' tall and I'd rather not have to hire someone to do my ceiling.  So, with that said, what would you recommend?  Oh, one last thought, the location where the shop will be located in the basement has an AC vent; should I close that up, or would it be ok to leave it open?
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