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Steve Doerr WR Addict Offline Wood is one of God's hidden /> /> canvases. Posts: 837 Joplin Missouri USA Gender: Rikon 70-050VS Jet 1642 EVS 2HP Robust American Beauty	Finish over dye Jan 1^st, 2015 at 11:00pm I just finished a maple burl hollow form that I have dye blue with Chestnut Spirit Dye (alcohol base). I have used lacquer on some of my dyed platters but want to try something different. (To cold to spray outside.) Can I use a wipe on poly once the dye has dried/cured? If so, how many coats should I put on to get a really good gloss?
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Ken Vaughan WR Addict Offline Still learning Posts: 3,685 Juneau Alaska USA Gender: Stubby 750 Jet 1014 vs Bonnie Klein Lathe	Re: Finish over dye Reply #1 - Jan 1^st, 2015 at 11:25pm Steve - I like a thin seal coat of shellac over the dye. It keeps solvents in the poly from mobilizing the dye. Spray can with a light coat or two. After the shellac cures overnight, the wipe on poly until you build the surface you want. I use scotch brite pads to cleanup nibs every few coats.
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Re: Finish over dye
Reply #2 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 10:10am

Ken, thanks for the heads up on the spray shellac. After I first read your response I thought I would just wipe on some cut dewaxed shellac since I spraying is not one of my better skills. Then I started thinking about it and realized that the alcohol in the shellac would also mobilize the dye. So, I guess today I go to the big box and pick up a spray can of shellac.

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Dave Gill Senior Member Offline Good People - Good Info! Posts: 346 Hayward California USA Gender: Jet 1220VS Jet 1642EVS-2	Re: Finish over dye Reply #3 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:42pm Steve - Happy New Year. I used EEE-Ultrashine and 2 coats of Shellawax over Artisan Premium Coloring Dye (alcohol based) and it came out great. It did not seem to mobilize the dye - did leave color on the applicator but did not change the color on the Tea Light Candle Holder that I was making. Dave
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Ron Sardo WR Administrator WR Patron Offline Chief cook and bottle washer Posts: 9,675 Drums Pennsylvania USA PM 3520	Re: Finish over dye Reply #4 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:58pm Steve Doerr wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 10:10am: Then I started thinking about it and realized that the alcohol in the shellac would also mobilize the dye. So, I guess today I go to the big box and pick up a spray can of shellac. Steve, I'm thinking that spray can of shellac has alcohol in it too.
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JimQuarles WR Addict WR Patron Offline WR Rocks, BIG Time! Posts: 13,194 Glendale, AZ Arizona USA Gender:	Re: Finish over dye Reply #5 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 1:19pm Yes, but the spray dries quickly with little effect on the dye.
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Tom Coghill WR Addict Offline Turning, when I am done with my chores. Posts: 1,128 The Villages Florida USA Gender: Oneway 2436, 3 HP 220V, now with Stainless Ways	Re: Finish over dye Reply #6 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 1:37pm light coats ... start with light coats to minimize the mobilization and build a cover over the dye.
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Steve Doerr WR Addict Offline Wood is one of God's hidden /> /> canvases. Posts: 837 Joplin Missouri USA Gender: Rikon 70-050VS Jet 1642 EVS 2HP Robust American Beauty	Re: Finish over dye Reply #7 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 1:48pm The light coats is where I have difficulty with spraying. The ol' saying, "If a little is good then a lot will be better" doesn't always work when you spray
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Ed Weber WR Administrator WR Patron Offline Posts: 8,939 Wilton California USA Gender: JET 1642 Grizzly G0584	Re: Finish over dye Reply #8 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 2:29pm Quit abusing wood with dyes and you'll be fine. Anymore talk of shoe polish and dyes and I'll have to report you to the proper authorizes.
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Len Layman WR Addict Offline What have I got into?? Posts: 3,118 Grand Cayman Cayman Islands Gender: PM 3520b Jet 1220	Re: Finish over dye Reply #9 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 4:32pm Ed Weber wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 2:29pm: report you to the proper authorizes. Grin Now, Ed. Just because something is immoral does not mean it is illegal. (Actually I love using dyes at times.) Shh.
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Ed Weber WR Administrator WR Patron Offline Posts: 8,939 Wilton California USA Gender: JET 1642 Grizzly G0584	Re: Finish over dye Reply #10 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 6:14pm Len Layman wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 4:32pm: (Actually I love using dyes at times.) Shh. Len, that's just one more reason why you are always just one small step away from being back on the list.
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Re: Finish over dye
Reply #11 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 9:20am

Ed Weber wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 6:14pm:

Len, that's just one more reason why you are always just one small step away from being back on the list.

Ed. I will have you know that on the rare occasion that I do use dyes. I use them in the privacy of my own shop. It's not like I am doing it in public.

I bet you used dyes to make your black list black. Grin

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George Hurlburt WR Champion Offline WR Rocks! Posts: 140 El Dorado, KS Kansas USA Gender: Robust, Vicmarc 175 and Nova DVR	Re: Finish over dye Reply #12 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 10:07am I would use mat or gloss Acrylic spray to set your dye or even multicoats and call it done.
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Anthony Yakonick Senior Member Offline Posts: 413	Re: Finish over dye Reply #13 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 9:51pm I didn't dye these, bought the wood that way but dyed birch is a lot better than plain birch Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to or
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Re: Finish over dye
Reply #14 - Jan 5^th, 2015 at 9:12am

Steve, another possible solution for you would be to get one of the small, cheap airbrush kits like this one Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to

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. You can use just about any liquid finishes in them, although many will need to be thinned. The reasons I suggest the airbrush are that:
1. You can use very low air pressure which will let you control the amount of finish you apply.
2. As long as you are not using the airbrush for any extended period, you should be able to capture most of the overspray (which will be minimal to start with) by spraying inside a cardboard box "spray booth".

I've used this method successfully many times when I wished to "stabilize" or "fix" something I had dyed or colored. Once your light spray coats have dried you can apply your wipe-on finishes without worry.

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