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Oct 28th, 2015 at 8:26am
 
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I've been checking the site periodically ever since I received an email telling me about the new products.
Originally all the new products were supposed to be available in Oct. Now that Oct is almost over I see they have changed the description under each item to say "Available from November, call to pre-order today"
Does anyone know whats going on at Nova? Is there a problem or are they being extra cautious after the issues they had with the Infinity release?
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Reply #1 - Oct 28th, 2015 at 6:27pm
 
I suspect it may be a combination of both...with strong competition from the new Grizzly model I'm sure they don't want another PR problem as with the Infinity.
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Reply #2 - Oct 28th, 2015 at 6:40pm
 
Ed...I just spent some time on the Teknatool web site...I'm sure it's just me but it seems like every time I visit their site their prices go up and up, even on their 'factory reconditioned' pieces.  Their larger 2024 lathe is now going for almost $2,800...I've seen the larger Powermatics on CL for far less money than that.  I love my DVR XP but if and when it goes it may be a tough choice on replacing it.
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Reply #3 - Oct 28th, 2015 at 8:35pm
 
John, you have to remember that anything sold on their reconditioned page has a full factory warranty.
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Reply #4 - Oct 29th, 2015 at 8:01am
 
Yes...I purchased my NOVA DVR XP from their re-conditioned site several years ago and really felt like I found a great deal for the money.  That said and with appreciate for pricing pressures always seem to go 'upwards', it seems like their pricing has gone up exponentially as of late.  I have believed for some time that Teknatool occupies a nice niche in the wood turning world...reasonable cost for a tool that sits at the high end of the hobbyist world before one gets into what I refer to as the 'silly' high-end money of the Powermatics and Robusts.  Don't get me wrong...those are obviously great tools and I hope to graduate to one those in the years to come but YIKES, they're pricey.  I simply hope that Teknatool, as compared to the new Grizzly product, doesn't price themselves out of their niche.
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Reply #5 - Oct 29th, 2015 at 8:25am
 
I have to agree with you John.
Instead of being satisfied with the portion of the market they occupy, lately they seem to be trying to compete against others when there is no reason to do so.
You don't have to try and compete with every product and every price your "competitors" offer.
There have definitely been a few missteps in the last couple of years.
The infinity chuck is a good example, just as announcing new tools and having them unavailable is another.
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Reply #6 - Oct 29th, 2015 at 9:33am
 
Two examples to exemplify the point.  First, I noticed that Teknatool has released a new set of Cole jaws and auxilliary Cole jaw 'extension' but clearly states that the new Cole jaw extension will not work on their legacy 10" Cole Jaws.  This seems odd for a company that in the past has prided itself and touted that their materials can be retro-fitted.  Second, their tail stock 'swing away' hinge.  Purchased on recently only to realize that it's not big enough in and of itself to swing the tail stock away and is designed to act as a hing for lathe bed extension.  While I've made my own platform to go on the backside, another NOVA user recently shared a New Zealand company that makes a true tail stock swing away platform that marries up perfectly with the DVR.  I'm sure it's due to marketing, etc but another example of where I think Teknatool missed the mark on what one would think would be 'slam dunk' sales.

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Reply #7 - Oct 29th, 2015 at 10:25am
 
THe large cole jaws were what I was interested in. The point you make about retro fitting is important. IMO they would have been better off just making the jaws sized for a 16" swing lathe (a popular size)

Mini Cole Jaws are suitable for lathes with a minimum 8”/203mm swing diameter.

Standard Cole Jaws are suitable for lathes with minimum 12”/300mm swing diameter.

NEW! 12"/304mm Cole Jaws
Suitable for lathes with a minimum 16" swing diameter. Diecast aluminium with pre-set holes, for precise closing, durability and long life. Comes with 4 jaw segments, special fasteners, standard rubber bumpers and instructions. Additional accessory bumpers are available. 

This set has a unique feature which enables you to add a NOVA Cole Jaw Extension Kit 6039 and take the capacity from up to 12"/304mm through to 15"/381mm (additional purchase) Note the other NOVA Cole Jaws in the range, the Standard 10" JSCOLE and Mini 8" 6006 Cole Jaws cannot accept the extension feature.

NEW! Extension Accessory for your NOVA 12"/304mm Cole Jaws
Takes your 12" Cole Jaws to 15"/386mm diameter!

Note the other NOVA Cole Jaws in the range, the Standard 10" JSCOLE and Mini 8" 6006 Cole Jaws cannot accept the extension feature. Suitable for lathes with minimum of 16"/406mm diameter capacity.

So the mini and the Standard are described by the minimum lathe swing, while the New lists the actual size and the lathe swing.
The overlap and size description can be, to say the least, confusing.

Hears an idea,
8" cole jaws
10" cole jaws
12" cole jaws
2" extension for 12" cole jaws,
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Reply #8 - Dec 4th, 2015 at 11:02am
 
Still no tools, pathetic.
Most of the tools that were originally to be available in October are still unavailable and listed as out of stock. Example
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I would really like to know what's going on over there
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Reply #9 - Dec 4th, 2015 at 11:08am
 
Interesting...
1) Are they going through a delivery lag?
2) Are they struggling through a growth process?
3) Are they struggling financially as a company?

Hopefully it's one of the first two and not the latter.  Fortunately...I don't 'need' anything right now though I certainly have a number of items on my Christmas list (Outrigger, lathe bed ext, etc).
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Reply #10 - Dec 4th, 2015 at 11:20am
 
I agree with you John, I hope whatever is happening over there is fixable. They have had a few missteps recently and they seem to be continuing.
They already missed the get new tools to make Christmas gifts segment of turners.
Very soon (if not already) they will miss gifts for turners altogether.
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Reply #11 - Dec 4th, 2015 at 2:14pm
 
Since some suppliers are now selling Record chucks which supposedly are compatible with Nova makes me wonder if the company is on its way out.
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Reply #12 - Dec 4th, 2015 at 2:37pm
 
Packard has the new nova products listed in the catalog I recently got.

Sorby, Record, and Nova now have mutually interchangeable jaws.  That should be a win for turners. 

The Infinity jaws and some titan jaws are not interchangeable.
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Reply #13 - Dec 4th, 2015 at 2:57pm
 
I think the Record chucks are actually being made for them by Nova.
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Reply #14 - Dec 4th, 2015 at 3:42pm
 
John Grace wrote on Dec 4th, 2015 at 11:08am:
Interesting...
1) Are they going through a delivery lag?
2) Are they struggling through a growth process?
3) Are they struggling financially as a company?



4) Maybe someone pi--ed off the Chinese?
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Reply #15 - Dec 4th, 2015 at 6:18pm
 
Ken Vaughan wrote on Dec 4th, 2015 at 2:37pm:
Packard has the new nova products listed in the catalog I recently got


You can write anything in a catalog, doesn't mean they have it in stock.
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Ed Weber wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 8:26am:
Does anyone know whats going on at Nova?

They have been around a long time...maybe senility?
I almost pity the new turner trying to work through the quagmire of data.  For those who have been around a while it is more  "Ok, this is what they mean".
For example, the Infinity chuck.
May be very good but unless someone knows different I can only find limited jaws available.  In the bowl they list seven but only produce three so the largest available is about the same as the 50mm.  They offer two in the sawtooth design and one in the smooth design.  Why not produce the full seven in the bowl design first?  If you want 100mm bowl you have to buy the old style and the upgrade kit.

What chucks can be upgraded?
Here they say .. Important note: Infinity Quick Change System is NOT compatible with the NOVA Precision Midi or NOVA Titan Chuck AND *Important note: This product is for those with an existing NOVA Chuck that they want to upgrade to Infinity Quick Change Technology. It is compatible with the G3 and SuperNOVA2 Chucks purchased from 2004. Chucks older than 2004 will need to purchase the SuperNOVA2 Infinity Chuck option to achieve the Quick Change technology.
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Here they say...
UPGRADE KIT SKU 8100
Kit containing 4 Infinity Jaw Slides, enabling you to replace your old existing NOVA chuck jaw slides (G3, SuperNOVA2 and Precision Midi models) with the Infinity quick change technology.
UPGRADE KIT TITAN SKU 8120
Kit containing 4 Infinity Jaw Slides, enabling you to replace your old existing NOVA Titan II chuck jaw slides with the Infinity quick change technology.

So now you can upgrade your Precision Midi and "old" Titan II?  You must be able to; if you scroll down to page ten it even list the exact opening ranges for the Midi and Titan.
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On the same link  on page 7 they list Explanation of common chucking techniques Expanding Dovetail, Spigot, and Free End.  On page 10 they list Operational Modes as Expanding Dovetail, Reverse Dovetail, and Spigot.
What the heck?? Roll Eyes So what Operation do you use the Free End technique with....  and what Technique do you use the Reverse Dovetail operation with?

I like Nova products a lot (2 Lathes and 7 chucks) but

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Reply #17 - Dec 5th, 2015 at 11:32am
 
I heard that they don't offer the larger jaws for the Infinity chuck since they are not as secure as they would be with a normal SN2.
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Reply #18 - Dec 5th, 2015 at 12:47pm
 
I actually have an infinity Chuck in hand.  I needed to replace a "value" Chuck I got several years ago for the little lathe and found one of the infinity chucks for an attractive price.

I have several sn2 chucks for the big lathe. 

I got it with the smooth detailed jaws labeled the #3 which are equivalent to the nominal 2 inch jaws.  The jaws snap into the slides easily and it takes longer to get the jaw numbers in order than to install or remove them.

I can get from Amazon the dove tailed jaws in 3 sizes and the same three sizes are available in a "sawtooth" or "profiled format.   I have some if the Oneway profiled jars and prefer the dove tailed form.

Also available are the nominal  1 inch pin style jaws with a dovetail on the end.  I got these as similar in function to the smallest O'Donnell jaws.

Also got the adapter set to allow the standard Nova/Sorby/Record jaws to be used.  That will allow me to use a pair of 100mm jaws for offset turning of the backlog shawl buttons.

The slide/jaws are a tighter fit than in the SN2 chucks.  That is less slop in the fit.  Both do tighten up to a tight fit.  The dovetail jaws have a larger cross section consistent with the Nova claim for a more rigid system capable of supporting longer cantilever pieces. 

I an,not seeing any indication that this is less than one of the better quality chucks.  Plan to get one of the larger jaws when they are available.

Do like the fast easy jaw change.

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Reply #19 - Dec 6th, 2015 at 9:27am
 
Ken Vaughan wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 12:47pm:
I can get from Amazon the dove tailed jaws in 3 sizes and the same three sizes are available in a "sawtooth" or "profiled format.
Also available are the nominal  1 inch pin style jaws with a dovetail on the end.


Thanks for the update on the available jaws.  Thumbs Up  I did not look at Amazon but just some woodturning tool stores.
It's good to know they are offering a greater variety.  I do like the new system of the sizes; for example in the bowl jaws each step up is the same 15mm and the jaw profiles are the same inside and out.  Maybe soon they will offer the full line.

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Reply #20 - Dec 6th, 2015 at 12:30pm
 
To clarify,
I am not questioning the quality of Nova/Teknatool tools. I own several SuperNova 2 chucks and jaws.
I am only questioning their recent history of, what some may consider, poor marketing.
Promising products and not delivering is sometimes an irreversible hit to your reputation.
I am glad for the turner, that there are other resources for accessories (jaws) but that brings me back to the original question. What's going on at Teknatool
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Reply #21 - Dec 6th, 2015 at 2:23pm
 
Mike Mills wrote on Dec 6th, 2015 at 9:27am:
Maybe soon they will offer the full line.


The Nova web site advises that the larger Infinity jaws are scheduled to be available in 2016  ---   

Supply chain logistics in van load lots from NZ and Asia is an interesting challenge for small firms like Kelton and Nova. 

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Reply #22 - Dec 6th, 2015 at 3:28pm
 
Ken Vaughan wrote on Dec 6th, 2015 at 2:23pm:
Supply chain logistics in van load lots from NZ and Asia is an interesting challenge for small firms like Kelton and Nova

One would submit that if you have manufacturing facilities in two or more counties and two or more continents, you are not small.
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Reply #23 - Dec 6th, 2015 at 4:28pm
 
Ed Weber wrote on Dec 6th, 2015 at 12:30pm:
I am only questioning their recent history ......

I'm not sure their "history" has changed much.

I purchased the Comet 2 for my daughter shortly after they came out in 2012.  It was about 9 months before they had/offered the plate to attach the grinding jig to the lathe.  They showed about 5-6 other attachments (which I was never interested in) and I have never seen any of them on the market after almost four years.

The Infinity came out late 2013/early 2014.  After two years they now say some additional jaws will be available in 2016?
I'm not in logistics but I do rent 20' conex and you can put a lot of jaw sets in one little conex box.

Heck, I have ordered some stuff on the bay from China and received it in the mail in less than two weeks.

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Reply #24 - Dec 6th, 2015 at 5:55pm
 
I have sent and received overseas containers many times in the past, it's not that hard. Now if you don't have anything to fill it with, that's another story.
Hopefully they will sort out their issues for everyone's' sake.
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Here we go again.
I just received an email this morning, some of these items were supposed to be available in November.
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