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Re: percent of embellishment that works for you
Reply #15 - Jan 20th, 2016 at 8:26am
 
Steve Doerr wrote on Jan 19th, 2016 at 11:39pm:
I wonder what portion was actually done on a lathe.  I question why they are even called turnings.


Just don't actually ask that question over there DAMHIKT.
You will be accused of all sorts of things, it ain't pretty.
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Reply #16 - Jan 20th, 2016 at 11:20am
 
My example here was to show what "Over the Top" means to me...
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Re: percent of embellishment that works for you
Reply #17 - Jan 20th, 2016 at 1:48pm
 
Steve I have to agree about the pieces you mentioned in your post. Many are truly amazing works of art but it is very hard to justify many of them as wood turned art. They could easily be labeled just wood sculptured art. To me they should explain what parts are made on the lathe then at least all could be aware of the core turning aspect of their work.
"quote" My example here was to show what "Over the Top" means to me...

Tom I was agreeing that you gave a great example, even though what you have done is debatable whether it is too much. Obviously you have self evaluated your own work and that is what I try to always do myself. I am never satisfied with my own work because I can always see an aspect even if it is a small area that could have been improved by doing something different.  Thumbs Up
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Re: percent of embellishment that works for you
Reply #18 - Jan 20th, 2016 at 2:28pm
 
Breck your statement--"I am never satisfied with my own work because I can always see an aspect even if it is a small area that could have been improved by doing something different." Is so true.  My eye automatically goes to the flaw in one of my turnings and it just bugs me that it is there.  When most people would never even know it was there. 

I believe that characteristic is what allows each of us to grow, expand and get better at the art of turning.

Tom--embellishments are like the saying, "Never make that last cut," once there are done you can't erase them.
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Re: percent of embellishment that works for you
Reply #19 - Jan 20th, 2016 at 4:30pm
 
I would really like to get together with a small group (say 10 with lathes) or do a "challenge" where each person is given a standard size piece of bland wood (basswood, birch, maybe ash?) and then return with results after a predetermined time.  This is where the balance of embellishment would become apparent for those who are judging the results. 

However, different judges will yeild different results...
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Re: percent of embellishment that works for you
Reply #20 - Jan 20th, 2016 at 4:52pm
 
Tom Coghill wrote on Jan 20th, 2016 at 4:30pm:
I would really like to get together with a small group (say 10 with lathes) or do a "challenge" where each person is given a standard size piece of bland wood (basswood, birch, maybe ash?) and then return with results after a predetermined time.  This is where the balance of embellishment would become apparent for those who are judging the results.

However, different judges will yeild different results..

Tom, I know what you're getting at but
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You'll drive yourself crazy doing this. You could do this 100 times and get 100 different results. No two pieces of wood, no matter how bland looking, are ever the same.
Even if they were, what would you be embellishing? Don't you want/need something to start with to enhance?
It's art, it's subjective by definition. Any competition or challenged that is judged is subjective and only a snapshot in time, tomorrow it might yield different results.
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Re: percent of embellishment that works for you
Reply #21 - Jan 20th, 2016 at 8:50pm
 
Tom--I think your idea has some real merit.  My thoughts, in addition to the same type of wood, size, etc, would be to focus on a specific embellishing technique (dying, piercing, burn, etc) and have everyone do a turning using the same technique.  Very much like a challenge for that technique.  I think that would be fun.  It would also be a GREAT learning experience.

It's interesting that we are having this discussion.  My daughter is taking a year off from school and was having a discussion (read "trying to teach dad") about color theory.  She knows an awful lot about it and wants to really help me get out of the rut that I'm in with regard to color.  Having spent several years in Chicago she sees art from a whole different perspective than I do here in Joplin MO.  I'm looking forward to her teaching me more about color theory and what I should be doing and not doing with colors.  She did say that I have a good eye for shapes and forms Thumbs Up just not a real good eye when it comes to color Grin
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Re: percent of embellishment that works for you
Reply #22 - Jan 20th, 2016 at 9:27pm
 
Steve Doerr wrote on Jan 20th, 2016 at 8:50pm:
challenge for that technique


That's more to the point, (IMO it doesn't matter too much what it's applied to)
otherwise your trying to compare apples to oranges.
Keep it simple
A 6" diameter bowl with pyrography on the rim.
An 8" tall vase with stone inlay
that's my two cents.
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Re: percent of embellishment that works for you
Reply #23 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:09am
 
Lots of good feedback and interest here on the challenge idea. 

I am willing to set this up for the group Thumbs Up, however my schedule precludes me from doing it for a few months...

I will be posting more about this nearer the summer months and I am looking forward to sharing and seeing what others come up with! Cool
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Re: percent of embellishment that works for you
Reply #24 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 3:52pm
 
Sounds like a game plan to me Tom.  Thanks for stepping up to the plate to get this going.

Tom Coghill wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:09am:
  my schedule precludes me from doing it for a few months..

Don't you just hate it when work gets in the way of life Grin Thumbs Up
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Re: percent of embellishment that works for you
Reply #25 - May 29th, 2016 at 4:18pm
 
Breck Whitworth wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 10:56am:
To me an embellishment is added for one purpose and one purpose only, and that is to enhance a piece you have made

So, just what is considered embellishment or enhancement? Is pyrography and piercing considered embellishment or enhancement or are both those terms the same?
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Re: percent of embellishment that works for you
Reply #26 - Jun 17th, 2016 at 6:52pm
 
Dirk I would say yes they could each be considered an embellishment. Regardless of what is used if it adds to the piece then it technically can be called an embellishment. To me an embellishment is an enhancement. Thumbs Up
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Re: percent of embellishment that works for you
Reply #27 - Jun 17th, 2016 at 8:19pm
 
Breck Whitworth wrote on Jun 17th, 2016 at 6:52pm:
To me an embellishment is an enhancement.

Maybe a embellishment that works is an enhancement.   Grin Grin Grin
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Re: percent of embellishment that works for you
Reply #28 - Jun 18th, 2016 at 11:11am
 
Len Layman wrote on Jun 17th, 2016 at 8:19pm:
Breck Whitworth wrote Yesterday at 15:52:01:
To me an embellishment is an enhancement.

Maybe a embellishment that works is an enhancement.   Grin Grin Grin


Dirk Hoogendoorn wrote on May 29th, 2016 at 4:18pm:
So, just what is considered embellishment or enhancement? Is pyrography and piercing considered embellishment or enhancement or are both those terms the same?


Not to get into a battle of syntax but I look at it like this.

An enhancement is changing or modifying the core piece in some manner to improve it's intended use. (this can also have embellishment traits)
Knurling, for example can be both an embellishment and an enhancement

An embellishment is adding to or altering the look of a piece for purely aesthetics, without changing the function.
Dying or coloring may look nice but doesn't change the function. (excluding camouflage)

Many times these words can be used interchangeably it all depends on your interpritaion of it's definition.
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