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Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:17am
 
I have been critical of what I see as UN-necessarily "overpriced" tools.
Woodworking can be an inexpensive hobby/craft to start but many times it quickly becomes very expensive. There are many ways to perform the same task with various levels of skills and equipment.
This bring me to the latest offender IMO.
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Don't get me wrong, this looks like a nice tool but the price ($639) is a deal breaker in my book. Too expensive for the hobbyist and not really a professional tool IMO
I won't go into the long list of other things you could buy for the same price that would do the same job and still leave money left over (it's a long list), I just don't understand who these tools are aimed at.
I would consider this a niche tool that serves little purpose and when a simple doweling jig costs over $600, it has the side effect of increasing the price of other woodworking tools.

Now I own a very inexpensive doweling jig that works "reasonably well", I rarely use it. While I don't use dowels much these days, when I do, I find the easiest way to align the holes quickly and accurately is to use an inexpensive set of dowel centers Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register

Everyone has there own criteria of what is or isn't the right purchase for them, IMO this is a step too far.
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Reply #1 - Aug 11th, 2016 at 7:52pm
 
I totally agree. I also bought that same set of dowel centers (in 1976!) and they worked great. I say "worked great" because only the Lord knows where they might be!  Embarrassed
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Reply #2 - Aug 11th, 2016 at 8:09pm
 
any time i see "woodpecker" and "one time tool" together in the same sentence, all i really see is $$$ going bye bye to never be seen again.
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Reply #3 - Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:24pm
 
If it were priced properly IMO, like about 1/3 the current price, it would probably go UN-noticed.
Most of these "one time tools" appear to be decent tools but to say they're asking a premium price for them would be an understatement.
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Reply #4 - Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:32pm
 

Bridge City Toolworks has the really high end of yuppydom tool costs.

Makes some of the others look low cost.

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Reply #5 - Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:45pm
 
Ken Vaughan wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:32pm:
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I don't know Ken, there dowel drilling jig is only about $450  Roll Eyes
They might be getting some competition.
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Reply #6 - Aug 11th, 2016 at 11:26pm
 

Ed, you only looked at the basic stripped down core beginning unit imperial or metric.    There are lots of "accessories" that are lacking on the basic unit.  Enough to double or triple the basic price. 

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Reply #7 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 9:09am
 
Ahh yes, the always important (AKA expensive0 accessories not included, how could I have missed them.  Roll Eyes

It's hard for me to explain why I find tools "like these" to be somehow less of a tool and more of a gadget.
I have many tools from many different professions, some are expensive and some aren't. I never really considered myself a "tool guy" because I just bought what I needed, over the years it has added up to a pretty good collection. I have very few "gadgets" and was never compelled to buy every new thing that came out.
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Tools like the above doweling jig are a cross between being to complicated and too fiddly.
When changing from one task to another, (you should probably have the instruction handy) you typically hear or read something like,
All you need to do is change this, remove that, adjust this, attach this, set that, align this and you're ready to go, it's that simple.  Huh Roll Eyes
A craftsman with minimal skill could probably mark and drill in a fraction of the time.

It's really an age old discussion about knowing how to perform a task with few if any aides or purchasing a tool that will perform the same task for you, so there's no need to know.
While I have nothing against innovation or tools helping me to perform certain tasks more efficiently, there is a point where, if you know how to perform the task at hand, you can easily see why certain tools simply won't help in any measurable way, like time or money.
(This may come from working with tools professionally, where you can't afford to buy or use inferior tools, regardless of profession.)

If you have disposable income and lots of time on your hands there are plenty of opportunities for you in the tool/gadget arena.
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Reply #8 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 12:32pm
 
Ed Weber wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:17am:
Now I own a very inexpensive doweling jig that works "reasonably well", I rarely use it.


Since I enjoy making my own tools, my doweling jig is cheaper than yours

First I find the center of a board using a tool like this, the one I made is from wood that I drilled with three evenly spaced holes which I inserted with two nails and a pencil in the center. I use it to draw a centered a line down the side of a board where I want the dowel(s)

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Then I use a spring loaded center punch to make a dimple on the line I just drew. Next I place a glass bead in the dimple (my daughters would make jewelry when they where children and lent me a bunch of beads). Sometimes I would use some tape or hot glue to hold the bead in place, sometimes spit would even work when no one was looking.

I placed the dimpled board on a flat level surface then placed the second next to it. Check the alignment and clamped the two together. The bead would transfer a dimple to the second board in perfect alignment.
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Reply #9 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:59pm
 
I use these.  I think a set is $5.50.   Huh  Not sure what I would do with the remaining $633.
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Reply #10 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 3:12pm
 
i got the Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register when it was only $49 9 years ago. it is still in the original unopened box. Wink

depending on the project, i either pocket screw, biscuit, or tongue and groove the joint.
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Reply #11 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 3:55pm
 
Ron Sardo wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 12:32pm:
Since I enjoy making my own tools, my doweling jig is cheaper than yours


You got me there.  Grin

Regarding the One Time Tool,
The funniest thing I thought was the design video. Every tool goes through a certain amount of development but it's not usually shown to the end (retail) customer.
It's as if they're saying, "are you wondering why this thing costs do much?, well here's why. We tried dozens of prototypes until we finally got there, if we came up with the solution quicker you probably wouldn't have to pay as much".
The video actually has sections called,
Experimentation and making scrap
Hitting the wall and finding a simple solution
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Reply #12 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 7:18pm
 
i understand the need for R&D and the associated cost, BUT, this tool already existed, was cheaper, and worked. they did little if any new innovation. just trying to rack in the $$ from the gullible.
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Reply #13 - Aug 13th, 2016 at 7:25pm
 
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Reply #14 - Aug 13th, 2016 at 9:13pm
 
IMO
The one major fault I see with most all of the "One Time Tools" is that they seem to forget that wood is a natural product and it moves.
Many of their tools seem to be somewhere between overkill for wood and not quite up to par for metal (machinist).
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