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Reply #15 - Aug 13th, 2016 at 11:47pm
 
not to mention unless you size your own stock, big box stores can be hit/miss on thickness, width, and even length. i like the idea of a t-square, but not at $107 when i can get a drafting t-square for $25.
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Reply #16 - Aug 14th, 2016 at 10:35am
 
David Hamann wrote on Aug 13th, 2016 at 11:47pm:
unless you size your own stock

IMO, you need to, otherwise the T-square (or any measuring tool that references on the wood is worthless)
If your stock has a 1/64" imperfection where you register your measuring tool like the T-square, it can translate to a major deviation along the length of 24", this is why to insure accuracy many woodworkers prefer to measure and mark from both sides.
It doesn't matter if you layout tools is accurate to within .001", if there is a dent in the wood, you can be off a huge amount, (plus or minus .001")
Even when I'm using lumber from big box stores, it needs to be brought to even tolerances by some method of milling, like jointing, planing, ripping or sanding, sometimes all of them.

Which brings me right back to my point about what I see as overpriced tools.
Once you have the knowledge and skill to perform a certain level of woodworking tasks like the ones mentioned above, you've most likely already come to the realization that there are no short cuts or "magic" tools. Manufacturers claims are just that, claims. Many times it's easy to see how or why those claims won't actually materialize in a real world work setting. Even if the tools are of the quality that is claimed, the price is often too prohibitive.
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Reply #17 - Aug 17th, 2016 at 8:02am
 

Some days you just have to bite the hook.  One of mine was getting an Axminister Evolution Chuck with O'Donnell jaws.  Far from cheap, but I find I use it a lot.  Even used the 36 hole indexing in it recently.

Not sitting new in box waiting for the garage sale.....

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Reply #18 - Aug 17th, 2016 at 8:17am
 
Ken Vaughan wrote on Aug 17th, 2016 at 8:02am:
Not sitting new in box waiting for the garage sale.....


I have often thought that that's where most of these tools are or soon will be.
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Reply #19 - Aug 17th, 2016 at 8:32am
 
Ken Vaughan wrote on Aug 17th, 2016 at 8:02am:
One of mine was getting an Axminister Evolution Chuck with O'Donnell jaws.  Far from cheap


I think to be in the same ballpark as far as comparisons to "One Time Tools" go, your setup would have had to cost about $1000.
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Reply #20 - May 18th, 2017 at 10:43am
 
Well I've finally found a reasonable priced solution to the OTT Dowel jig  Smiley
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Reply #21 - May 19th, 2017 at 3:39am
 
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and a flat surface.
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Reply #22 - May 19th, 2017 at 7:22am
 
David Hamann wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 3:39am:
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and a flat surface.


Well,  yes, you could do it that way, but that's no fun!  I have never been able to use centering pins with any luck when using a hand drill. Drill press yes! I have seen videos of the Rockler dowler thing a ma jigy. Looks interesting if you do a lot (read that as A LOT) of glue ups. I don't.
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Delta 46-460: awesome
Powermatic 3520: more awesome!
Shopsmith Mark 7: Wonderful! (But I don't use it as a lathe yet)
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Reply #23 - May 19th, 2017 at 10:22am
 
Chris Neilan wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 7:22am:
I have seen videos of the Rockler dowler thing a ma jigy. Looks interesting if you do a lot (read that as A LOT) of glue ups.

The Triton tool runs about $200 (accessories extra). It all depends on what you consider to be A LOT and what your time is worth to you. The additional time it takes to measure and drill, no matter what method or jig you use has to be taken into account. There is also the addition of increased accuracy. If I had to cut a 10 -12 pairs, I would own one
I would never pay the price for the OTT, way too much for a jig that you still need to supply the drill and bits to use.
The Triton tool, IMO is well worth the price, and for me, could easily pay for itself with one job.
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Reply #24 - Jul 18th, 2017 at 8:13am
 
I use dowel centers as well, the problem i ran into was i needed one that fit a 10mm hole. The imperial was too loose or too big. I couldn't find metrics online so i had to have a local machinist make me a pair. I use them with the SOSS barrel hinge.
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Reply #25 - Jul 18th, 2017 at 8:31am
 
I give you thumbs up for having you own made.  Thumbs Up
I don't know when/where you looked but there can be found.
I have seen some on ebay, some on sites I'm not sure I would purchase from and some on Amazon.
Many times the phrasing or name of the item is somewhat different than what we are used to but a small change in the name can keep it from showing up in a search.
For example, at Amazon use the search phrase 'Dowel Drill Centre Points" and you will receive plenty of results.
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Reply #26 - Jul 20th, 2017 at 11:07am
 
Having spent many years machining steel for injection molds and dies, this topic is really enjoyable to read. As a machinist we had a required group of personal tools, micrometers.radius gages, verniers etc. that at the time we considered very expensive for the average guy, but they were a necessity and no where near the cost of some of these woodworking gadgets. In the very short time I have been turning wood on the lathe I have received at least 3 catologs from woodworking suppliers, one of which is "Peachtree" which has thousands of highpriced items for the guy who has unlimited funds. I do not, so everything I turned so far is with my 8 piece set of turning chisels which cost $24.95 and a few home made ones from old wood chisels, on my bench grinder. Really enjoy all the comments on these forums and what I have learned from them in 3 months, maybe 4. I thank you guys for all the help.
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Reply #27 - Jul 20th, 2017 at 1:20pm
 
George Stratton wrote on Jul 20th, 2017 at 11:07am:
In the very short time I have been turning wood on the lathe I have received at least 3 catologs from woodworking suppliers, one of which is "Peachtree" which has thousands of highpriced items for the guy who has unlimited funds.


I hate to be the one that tells you this but Peachtree is really the bargain priced catalog/website.

Here is IMO another too expensive, unnecessary tool with many dubious claims
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Reply #28 - Jul 20th, 2017 at 2:54pm
 
Yes they are Ed, I have purchased peppermill mechanisms from them because they are much lower in cost than others like Rockler who is a quick drive from my house. What I meant was that they have an extensive catalog of what you called Gadgets that most guys can get along without.
Thanks for the comment. Geo.
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Reply #29 - Jul 20th, 2017 at 4:50pm
 
Sorry, I misunderstood, yes they have plenty of gadgets. Someone is always trying to build a better mousetrap.
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