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Reply #30 - Sep 22nd, 2016 at 3:01pm
 
When I work this up I would like to incorporate a (pardon the term) deadman switch on the floor (only active if your foot is putting pressure on the switch, and a rheostat that could control the amount of "ZAP".  Like others, I like the finer detail, so I think the type of setup described will do what I am seeking.

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Reply #31 - Sep 23rd, 2016 at 11:41am
 
I wonder if a car battery charger would work for the transformer?
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Reply #32 - Sep 23rd, 2016 at 12:39pm
 
One way to find out. 

These are "famous last words," along with "hey, y'all, watch this!"  Shocked
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Reply #33 - Sep 23rd, 2016 at 3:51pm
 
I spent some time last night looking over this process, the building of the device and it's use. Some people have built and use some VERY DANGEROUS systems... stories of fires, explosions and one fatality. You can not tell how much is truth and how much is fiction.... BUT, I can see how someone could easily step up the voltage, not realize the insulation on the wires is insufficient downstream of the transformer and get a VERY RUDE SURPRISE.

What am I saying? Just be careful and be safe. Thumbs Up


Ron - to answer your question: No. The car transformer outputs about 14 V DC. The microwave transformer outputs about 40,000 volts. I have seen dual transformer systems on line that may be able to jump it to over 100,000 Shocked   That is an advantage to the neon transformers, the transformer is already tapped to a specific voltage.

I am an engineer, but not an Electrical Engineer.  I know enough to back away and let someone with more knowledge to step in here. Cool Thumbs Up
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Reply #34 - Sep 23rd, 2016 at 7:40pm
 
Thanks Tom
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Reply #35 - Sep 24th, 2016 at 11:53am
 
Tom Coghill wrote on Sep 23rd, 2016 at 3:51pm:
That is an advantage to the neon transformers, the transformer is already tapped to a specific voltage.

I agree, IMO The neon light transformer is by far the way to go (safest)
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Reply #36 - Sep 25th, 2016 at 12:09pm
 
Ed Weber wrote on Sep 24th, 2016 at 11:53am:
Tom Coghill wrote on Sep 23rd, 2016 at 3:51pm:
That is an advantage to the neon transformers, the transformer is already tapped to a specific voltage.

I agree, IMO The neon light transformer is by far the way to go (safest)


Additionally, from what I have seen and heard, a neon sign transformer creates more highly detailed burnings than does a microwave transformer.  I presume the detail is a result of a higher voltage but less current.
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Re: Lichtenberg Electric Etching
Reply #37 - Sep 25th, 2016 at 12:37pm
 
Glen Blanchard wrote on Sep 25th, 2016 at 12:09pm:
Additionally, from what I have seen and heard, a neon sign transformer creates more highly detailed burnings than does a microwave transformer.  I presume the detail is a result of a higher voltage but less current


Generally "better" quality electronics, dictated by the application.

A microwave transformer doesn't need to be as precise, your food won't know the difference. As long as it puts out the juice and warms the food, job done.
A neon transformer on the other hand, needs a more regulated or have a smoother output. Since the results are visual, any spikes or uneven current will be seen. I think we've all seen flickering neon signs.

I don't think you would get a constant (non flickering) light if you were to use a microwave investor on a neon light.
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Re: Lichtenberg Electric Etching
Reply #38 - Sep 25th, 2016 at 6:53pm
 
Ed Weber wrote on Sep 24th, 2016 at 11:53am:
Tom Coghill wrote on Sep 23rd, 2016 at 3:51pm:
That is an advantage to the neon transformers, the transformer is already tapped to a specific voltage.

I agree, IMO The neon light transformer is by far the way to go (safest)


Safer maybe,but safest might give a false sense of safety as still both units give off enough voltage to kill someone.

I agree with the neon unit being the best way to go,and having the better results.But for someone who just wants to try it and won't be doing this all the time ,the microwave one can be had for a lot less,as in my case $15 at a thrift store.
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Reply #39 - Sep 25th, 2016 at 7:53pm
 
You're correct, safe is a relative term when dealing with high voltage.
It's up to the operator to be safe not the tool or power source.

Tools don't have brains, you need to use your own.
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Reply #40 - Sep 25th, 2016 at 9:15pm
 
I haven't tried a neon transformer.  I also bought something to try it out. As far as fine detail, I've been pleased with what I produce. Species of wood and technique have a big impact on detail.

Regardless, as has been stated several times in this thread, safety is the most important part of the plan. Neon or MWO, either can kill you if you are careless.
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Reply #41 - Sep 26th, 2016 at 4:16pm
 
Me and the vets I teach are wanting to do this after we watched Tim Yoder do it several months ago.

Is there any way I can pay someone to make one for me? I would try but with my brain damage it is hard to figure things out.

One question

Where do you put the negative lead and where the positive to get the best burn?


Also like a Microwave can be adjusted with how it is set can it be set to adjust how much volts go thru it too?
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Re: Lichtenberg Electric Etching
Reply #42 - Sep 26th, 2016 at 4:30pm
 
There is no positive/negative.  It is high voltage AC on the business end.  With my system I try to keep them as far apart as possible.

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Re: Lichtenberg Electric Etching
Reply #43 - Sep 26th, 2016 at 4:35pm
 
Arlin Eastman wrote on Sep 26th, 2016 at 4:16pm:
Me and the vets I teach are wanting to do this after we watched Tim Yoder do it several months ago.

Is there any way I can pay someone to make one for me? I would try but with my brain damage it is hard to figure things out.


One question

Where do you put the negative lead and where the positive to get the best burn?


This is not something everyone should be trying ,admittedly you have suggested that you have a hard time figuring things out and don't sound to sure of things.Making one mistake or not being alert and touching the wrong thing can be fatal and there is a good chance it would kill a person.
If I where you I would look for someone in your area to help you out and do it for you ,maybe someone here is close to your area and can help.
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Re: Lichtenberg Electric Etching
Reply #44 - Sep 26th, 2016 at 4:39pm
 
Thanks Tom and Rob
I am sure I can use it safely it is just building it that takes awhile to figure out and it would be much easier to have someone else build it instead of me trashing a few just to make one.

As a young guy my major was EE but then I decided it did pay well back in the day but something I would not enjoy so I changed majors.

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