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Oct 2nd, 2017 at 7:15am
 
Anyone have any tips on carving? I'm going to start adding to my turnings w/ carving and pyrography.

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Reply #1 - Oct 2nd, 2017 at 10:53pm
 
Bruce,have you ever done any carving in the past? If so, what have you carved, are there any pictures of what  you've carved? Do you plan to use powered carving tools, or will it all be done by hand tools? What type of carvings do you plan to use, flowers, birds, trees, animals, there's lots to choose from?
I've only ever done a bit of freehand carving, and I've done a little carving with Dremel tools also. But, I haven't done enough to give anyone any pointers.
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Reply #2 - Oct 3rd, 2017 at 5:56am
 
I've done quite a few and it really depends on the design and the type of wood you plan on using. If the design needs very sharp edges to fully show it off you need something like maple or I like to use bubinga. If you use maple, conventional tools can be used but something as hard as bubinga you'll need carbide tipped power tools.
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Reply #3 - Oct 3rd, 2017 at 4:34pm
 
Thank you for the response Len and Ben. I was going to carve leaves and acorns on the rim of a Teak platter. And was thinking of piercing some parts leaving the beaded rims to connect the leaves and acorns and have them touch each other as well. This will be my first carving project, I bought a fairly good carving set and have a dremal if needed. I've been working w/ wood for 40 plus years and have watched a few videos on carving. I've done a test cut on a blank piece to see how the Teak will carve. Teak sands very easy and these cutters are very sharp. Here's a shot of the platter I want to carve.

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Reply #4 - Oct 3rd, 2017 at 4:41pm
 
Oh Yea Very Nice carving work Ben I'm sure there's a good bit of time in those pieces. The platter is almost
16" D the rim is 1 3/4" counting the beads 1 1/4" in between the beads.

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Reply #5 - Oct 5th, 2017 at 7:53pm
 
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This is the carver that I want to get for me and the vets

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It is a very nice and I know a lot of people in Europe love it and so does a local friend.
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Reply #6 - Oct 5th, 2017 at 9:17pm
 
Thank you for sharing that Arlin; I'm trying to do mine all old school by hand. I've started on the project this evening using this set of carving tools.
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I'll post more when it looks like something, so far it's just roughed out.

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Reply #7 - Oct 5th, 2017 at 10:45pm
 
Good luck and looking forward to seeing what you do and how you do it.   Smiley
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Reply #8 - Oct 6th, 2017 at 2:55pm
 
I have a long way to go but thought I would show you progress photos as I carve this platter. This is only rough carving using NO power tools and nothing has been sanded yet. The tools in the photo are all I'll be using for the carving process. Comments welcome

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Reply #9 - Oct 6th, 2017 at 7:39pm
 
Bruce, you could most likely do the through carving, with a scroll saw. Then, it would be easier to do the leaf edge carving, and details with hand tools. Of course to do this, you would have to own a scroll saw.
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Reply #10 - Oct 7th, 2017 at 6:37am
 
Len I almost picked one up a few years ago they are handy; but I'm trying to do this old school, so what I've been using is a coping saw blade w/ out the saw. There is one in that pile of tools in the photo, guess I should have spread them out so folks could see them better. I've been thinking how to darken the background that won't be cut threw, is there a product for this besides paint or stain?

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Reply #11 - Oct 7th, 2017 at 10:13pm
 
Bruce, you could try dies or stains to try to darken things up.
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Reply #12 - Oct 8th, 2017 at 7:55am
 
Len Mullin wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 10:13pm:
Bruce, you could try dies or stains to try to darken things up.
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Great idea w/ the dye; has anyone used commercial grade fabric dye w/ any success? I have a bunch of these in many colors; and didn't know if they would work well because they are water base.

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Reply #13 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 1:08pm
 
How about stippling for background areas not cut thru?

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Reply #14 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 3:27pm
 
When I carve, I try to keep the piece ON THE LATHE as long as I can. This helps me stay out of harm's way (I try to keep the sharp end of the carving tool pointed away from me).

So, when NOT on the lathe: I want to hear how others keep their non-dominate hand protected from getting cut when carving our turnings.

Cut Resistant gloves (Kevlar)? or thick tape stuff or leather gloves? one must hold the item from moving somehow. I hope that no one out there places these items in their lap!
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Reply #15 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 4:14pm
 
Tom Coghill wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 3:27pm:
When I carve, I try to keep the piece ON THE LATHE as long as I can. This helps me stay out of harm's way (I try to keep the sharp end of the carving tool pointed away from me).

So, when NOT on the lathe: I want to hear how others keep their non-dominate hand protected from getting cut when carving our turnings.

Cut Resistant gloves (Kevlar)? or thick tape stuff or leather gloves? one must hold the item from moving somehow. I hope that no one out there places these items in their lap!

Tom, Nope I sit in my easy chair and carve away w/ the piece in my lap; Of course I'm cutting away from my other hand at all times and I don't where any gloves or anything else. I'm right handed and my left thumb is on top of the cutter pushing down or out of the way. I do not have to push very hard w/ my right hand these are very sharp, just by wiggling slowly it cuts this teak.

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Reply #16 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 7:48am
 

I've had a chance to put a few more hours into the platter carving, here's a few photos of what she's looking like now. Surprisingly this teak is fairly easy to carve and sand, I'm trying to find the best way to get the texture on those Acorn caps; I've done one set so far but not sure I like them.

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Reply #17 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 4:30pm
 
Well I put a few more hours into this project; finished the lay out and out line cut & rough cut a god bit then I also did some sanding. I'm about half way w/ the rough out, check the progress photos.
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Reply #18 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 7:14pm
 
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Just thinking that instead of carving chisels it would be a lot easier with a high speed dental drill that they sell and with a ton of different kinds of bits.

I like what you have done so far tho and it reminds me of Steve doing it like that on the other site.
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Reply #19 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 9:34pm
 
Arlin Eastman wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 7:14pm:
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Just thinking that instead of carving chisels it would be a lot easier with a high speed dental drill that they sell and with a ton of different kinds of bits.

I like what you have done so far tho and it reminds me of Steve doing it like that on the other site.

Thank you Arlin, Yes it would be a bit faster w/ power tools there's something very relaxing about doing this work by hand for me, I just sit in my easy chair w/ a tv show on and carve. I haven't seen anybody doing carving over there I'll have to be on the look out.

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Reply #20 - Oct 15th, 2017 at 9:13pm
 
Did a bit more carving this weekend; rough out some more and worked on details & sanded, you are really not  going to see the details until the stain go's on: here's what she is looking like now.

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Reply #21 - Oct 16th, 2017 at 9:40pm
 
Bruce L Jones wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 7:55am:
Len Mullin wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 10:13pm:
Bruce, you could try dies or stains to try to darken things up.
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Great idea w/ the dye; has anyone used commercial grade fabric dye w/ any success? I have a bunch of these in many colors; and didn't know if they would work well because they are water base.

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Bruce, I've used Rite clothes dye on wood, the only way I could get good results, was to bring the dye to a boil. Otherwise, the dye color was as dull as could be. It was Christmas ornaments that I was dying, I dipped them into the boiling dye. The longer I left them in the boiling dye,the darker the color would get. With one color of dye, you could get many different tints. It all depended, on how long I boiled the ornaments. Personally, I don't think it would be any good for this piece, I don't think you could get the results your looking for. For a project like this one, I would use alcohol dyes. I think you would get the results you want, if you used it instead  of clothes dye.
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Reply #22 - Oct 17th, 2017 at 12:21pm
 
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Reply #23 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 1:32pm
 
Hello again everyone Well I put a few more hours into the roughing out process and finished the piercing part of this project, now it's on the the fine details and sanding. Here's what she's looking like now.

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Reply #24 - Oct 20th, 2017 at 8:49am
 
Very nice, Bruce!
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Reply #25 - Oct 20th, 2017 at 3:32pm
 
Thank you Jeff still a good bit yet to do, but I'm now on the sanding and fine details part of this project.

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Reply #26 - Oct 22nd, 2017 at 6:30am
 
Well the carving is complete and sanding is mostly finished up to 220 grit so far, here's what shes looking like now.

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Reply #27 - Oct 23rd, 2017 at 11:29pm
 
Hello everyone Well I was able to get 2 finish coats of varnish on the Teak platter and still may add another coat; but over all I like how this project came out for my first carving embellishment.
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Reply #28 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 8:52pm
 
Hello All,
Does anyone have any experience how decent the flexible shaft with reciprocating power carving head for Dremel tools is? Saw it in Highland Woodworking catalogue and have come to a point that I want to add some simple curves and lines to my turnings and then put some Lab Metal and or metal Inlace in. I have used Lab Metal in bracelets I have turned but I want something other than straight grooves.
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Scott Walton wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 8:52pm:
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Does anyone have any experience how decent the flexible shaft with reciprocating power carving head for Dremel tools is? Saw it in Highland Woodworking catalogue and have come to a point that I want to add some simple curves and lines to my turnings and then put some Lab Metal and or metal Inlace in. I have used Lab Metal in bracelets I have turned but I want something other than straight grooves.

Scott there many grinders out there w/ flex shafts you may want to shop around Dremal can work on wood but there are better  grinders here is a link to just a few other ones

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Reply #30 - Apr 5th, 2018 at 11:58am
 
Wow, this is a big subject. I like your layout and I'm sure you will do an extraordinary job. That said, I looked at the set of tools you ordered and was a little dismayed at the cost. Having had limited funds, I often bought "cheap" only to regret it.  Over time I found it better to buy less but buy quality. Most of my carving tools are made by Pheil. Each one cost anywhere from $20.00 to $60.00 and they are a  pleasure to use. It's kind of like a novice turner buying a $100.00 lathe and getting frustrated. I'm not suggesting that he buy a Oneway but at least a solid, reasonably precision Mini like a Jet. I also use a Dremel and I have a high speed (300,000 rpm) Presto. The Presto is superior to just about anything when doing really fine work as it doesn't get deviated by the grain of the wood. Even the 30,000 rpm machines will follow the grain.
I'm just started to teach my grandsons how to carve. They're using my tools but I'm going to buy each of them a detail knife (Lee Valley, about $18.00 each). Technique is more important than protection (although I'm not against protection). Basic push cuts etc are shown in most books that introduce you to carving. All said, most important is the enjoyment from the process. Looking forward to seeing your results.
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Reply #31 - Apr 6th, 2018 at 10:22am
 
I have never done any carving but at one time worked for an engraver that used an engravers vise to hold the item leaving both hands free. It was cast iron and looked like a bowling ball setting in a leather donut with a pair of jaws on top, only on a smaller scale. Tip it any way you want and it stays there. Maybe one of those old vises could be used?? There's a few of them on ebay right now under "ball Vise"
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Reply #32 - Apr 6th, 2018 at 10:54am
 
On YouTube, xxxx castelin, has a diy on-lathe carving work holder at his video #292.
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Don't know why it x'd out xxxx Angry
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Was his first name part of the word Dickensian?? Shocked
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I'll try again to mention cap'n with the name eddie
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