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Larger Bedan?
Dec 8th, 2017 at 4:24am
 
I make flutes and use various tools at times turning them. I have always been sort of partial to the bedan. Sometimes when I use my spindle gouge I am just not as good. On the skew sometimes it is great others not so and sometime it is not good at all. I use some of the Easy wood tools and they are good but I am always sort of partial to the bedan. I know it takes more practice on any tool... I have never seen a bigger one for sell ...just the usual size..3/8" Does anyone make a bigger one?If not Im sure I could make one but if I could find one withe end turned round where it would fit my 1/2"handles that would be great.I have so many projects right now I dont want to break away to make a tool and the handle...not that it takes that long.....But if I had to in the future I would...If I did make one I guess I could get some larger stock from Doug Thompson or Dave Schweitzer D-Way tools? Or does anymore ideas.????Thanks guys in advance!!!
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Reply #1 - Dec 8th, 2017 at 8:20am
 
How about looking at this another way - what makes a bedan easier to use than another tool?
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Reply #2 - Dec 8th, 2017 at 8:26am
 
For the future you may want to make your own.  WTTools (and other places) sell "bits".  The 1/2" HSS with 5% colbalt is $15 for the eight inch; it appears they are out of the standard HSS which is usually $9.
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Here is a handle with a square hole sleeve I made many years ago.  Easy to change from a bedan to 1/2" scraper or other.
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Re: Larger Bedan?
Reply #3 - Dec 8th, 2017 at 10:40am
 
Mike Turner wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 4:24am:
I have never seen a bigger one for sell ...just the usual size..3/8" Does anyone make a bigger one?

When you say bigger, I'm guessing you mean wider.
I would get a scraper the width you want and simply grind it to what ever angle you want your Bedan tool to be, now you have a wide Bedan.
No need to overthink it
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Reply #4 - Dec 8th, 2017 at 1:07pm
 
I tend to think of the Bedan as a sizing tool, mostly for peeling type cuts to get a spindle, or spindle parts down to size, and then you finish turn. I am trying to figure out what you are trying to do with it for cutting. A large skew can do excellent peeling cuts, but for roughing, you just don't want much more metal than 3/8 into a spinning piece... For turning beads, I don't think a bedan would be practical... Well, other than for planing cuts where the roughing has been done and you are smoothing out tool marks.

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Re: Larger Bedan?
Reply #5 - Dec 8th, 2017 at 4:01pm
 
Ed Weber wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 10:40am:
When you say bigger, I'm guessing you mean wider.
I would get a scraper the width you want and simply grind it to what ever angle you want your Bedan tool to be, now you have a wide Bedan.
No need to overthink it
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Yep Ed. I mean wider and sort of thought about a scraper but didnt know if there was a wider bedan out there. Im just looking at what I can get the cheapest.I do use it like Robo Hippy suggests as more of a sizing tool.
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Reply #6 - Dec 8th, 2017 at 4:06pm
 
robo_hippy wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 1:07pm:
I tend to think of the Bedan as a sizing tool, mostly for peeling type cuts to get a spindle, or spindle parts down to size, and then you finish turn. I am trying to figure out what you are trying to do with it for cutting. A large skew can do excellent peeling cuts, but for roughing, you just don't want much more metal than 3/8 into a spinning piece... For turning beads, I don't think a bedan would be practical... Well, other than for planing cuts where the roughing has been done and you are smoothing out tool marks.

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Yes thats it...more in the area of sizing.I knock the corner off with several different things ...just depending on what I am wanting to use at the time.I dont put any beads on the flutes but if I did I would use something else.I love the skew but some days Im good with it then there are the other days lol where a boo boo takes a little chunk out....I know more practice !!!!
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Reply #7 - Dec 8th, 2017 at 7:45pm
 
Mike Mills wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 8:26am:
For the future you may want to make your own. WTTools (and other places) sell "bits". The 1/2" HSS with 5% colbalt is $15 for the eight inch; it appears they are out of the standard HSS which is usually $9.
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Mike where did you get the square hole sleeve or how did you make it?
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Reply #8 - Dec 8th, 2017 at 8:11pm
 
For sizing, I use a 1/8" wide diamond parting tool.  I wouldn't want a wider tool, as there are times I can only size one side of a bead because the spindle gets wider on the other side of the bead (i.e. not 1/8" of space to that side of the bead).
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Reply #9 - Dec 8th, 2017 at 10:35pm
 
Mike, I don't know what the other Mike did for the square holes, but I have bought square and hex sleeves here:
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Reply #10 - Dec 9th, 2017 at 10:16am
 
Thanks for providing that link Jeff.  It has been about 10 years and the only thing I could remember is that the company was Green-something, not a lot of help.  Even though it shows an error you can click on through at Jeff's link.  I got just the square all the way through but they also have them with one end threaded so you can use a bolt to extend further into the handle.

Mike, another alternative is to use a jacobs chuck; the 1/2" should run about $20 for a decent quality.  You can install into the handle with any length bolt you wish.  For square stock it does take some grinding (disc or belt) to reshape and 1" -1.5" on the end into a triangle to be able to chuck it up.  But then you can also chuck up any round stock so it may be more efficient in the long run.
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