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where does everyone sell online?
Mar 21st, 2018 at 9:08pm
 
Does anyone here sell online anymore?  I have been doing the Etsy thing for a few years but not only is it getting over saturated with turners its now getting saturated with ridiculously low priced items.  I am limited on the weekends i can do craft shows as this is a second job for me so selling online is the most practical option but Etsy is getting rough.  Some are selling things for close to what i pay for the wood.  Is there any other online market that is like what Etsy used to be?
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Re: where does everyone sell online?
Reply #1 - Mar 22nd, 2018 at 9:21am
 
chris lawrence wrote on Mar 21st, 2018 at 9:08pm:
Some are selling things for close to what i pay for the wood.


I've seen this as well and you need to ignore it.
I know it's easy to say but you need to give the customers a reason to buy your products not theirs.
Better description
Better photo
Better turning
Better finish
The list goes on
There should be a distinct difference as to why your piece costs more, you need to convey that to the potential customer.

Websites like ETSY and craft fairs will always have dog dishes for sale, it's in their interest to sell anything they can. For them it doesn't matter what you sell, as long as you sell.

To your original question there are dozens of alternative sites for hadmade items, you'll have to pick the one that fits your needs.
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Reply #2 - Mar 22nd, 2018 at 4:21pm
 
Thanks for the link.  I dont plan on lowering my prices and i try to do all the things you listed.
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Reply #3 - Mar 22nd, 2018 at 5:23pm
 
I've seen pieces plenty of pieces that list for the same price I pay for a blank of the same species. The only "good" thing is that they usually are of the dog dish variety.
As my better half always reminds me, they may be trying to sell them at that price but is anyone really buying them? I usually look at past sales by sellers of those type of items.
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Reply #4 - Mar 22nd, 2018 at 8:26pm
 
The strange part is some of the bowls i am seeing look pretty good by the photos.  The only assumption i can come to is there trying to compete price wise with the dog bowl producers.
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Reply #5 - Mar 23rd, 2018 at 8:12am
 
In addition to what Ed listed, perhaps one should try to be selling something that doesn't look in a photo like so many others.  Perhaps that's why there is such a focus on carving and embellishments.  When people come into my studio they can see that I have commercial overhead and say they understand that people working in their basement have huge savings.  They volunteer an opinion that my bowls seem more functional and more distinctive, but they still want that "fast food hamburger" price for a gourmet burger with gourmet ingredients.
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Reply #6 - Mar 23rd, 2018 at 8:27am
 
Don Stephan wrote on Mar 23rd, 2018 at 8:12am:
Perhaps that's why there is such a focus on carving and embellishments.

I don't disagree with you

IMO a dog dish is a dog dish whether it's embellished or not.
I think it's better to refine what you're doing before you commit to adding elements like carving  etc. You may be able to ask a higher price for the carved product but it is also more work and doesn't really solve the inequity problem.

I would much rather see a simple bowl done well than a complex bowl done poorly.
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Reply #7 - Mar 23rd, 2018 at 7:49pm
 
compete price wise with the dog bowl producers
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Reply #8 - Apr 1st, 2018 at 2:12pm
 
May not be directly consistent with the original question, but I've always been curious where the volume independent turners move so much product.  Richard Raffan before he retired, Glen Lucas, and Michael Mahoney are examples.
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Reply #9 - Apr 2nd, 2018 at 9:46am
 
Don Stephan wrote on Apr 1st, 2018 at 2:12pm:
May not be directly consistent with the original question, but I've always been curious where the volume independent turners move so much product. Richard Raffan before he retired, Glen Lucas, and Michael Mahoney are examples.



I think their business is an all around woodturning business (selling their items, classes, books, tools, other products, etc.). I doubt they rely only on selling their craft nowadays. The same is for selling their items. Probably they rely on different channels, especially several galleries, agents, etc.
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Reply #10 - Apr 2nd, 2018 at 12:57pm
 
Thought I heard somewhere that Glen Lucas makes 3000 bowls a year.  That's a lot of product in almost any channel.  I've never heard a number for Michael Mahoney, only that he makes a lot of bowls.
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Reply #11 - Apr 8th, 2018 at 6:42pm
 
3000 bowls a year...10 a day, every day, six days a week, all year, with a 2 week vacation.
That's knocking them out.
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Re: where does everyone sell online?
Reply #12 - Apr 9th, 2018 at 9:44am
 
Why would anyone believe that anyone could make AND finish 10 bowls a day 6 days a week all year long AND have a  2 week vacation??

A bowl an hour from start to finish means he is turning 10 hours STRAIGHT with no bathroom breaks, or stopping for food or resharpening the tools!

I suppose he could be wearing depends, so that is covered. Shocked
...and maybe a feeding tube right into his stomach.  Roll Eyes

Really???   You REALLY believe that is possible???


Remember, that also includes cutting the logs into blanks , so he isn't actually turning all day long. At some point, he needs to replenish his wood supply.

Sounds more like an urban myth type of thing. 

Odds are likely that he has minions helping including with the actual turning. His BUSINESS could be turning out 3,000 bowls a year, but not likely that HE alone is doing any such thing.

Remember, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't true! Roll Eyes

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Reply #13 - Apr 9th, 2018 at 10:14am
 
Don Stephan wrote on Apr 2nd, 2018 at 12:57pm:
Thought I heard somewhere that Glen Lucas makes 3000 bowls a year.  That's a lot of product in almost any channel.  I've never heard a number for Michael Mahoney, only that he makes a lot of bowls.


John Cepko wrote on Apr 8th, 2018 at 6:42pm:
3000 bowls a year...10 a day, every day, six days a week, all year, with a 2 week vacation.
That's knocking them out.


There is a vast difference between 'turning" a bowl and finishing or completing a bowl.
Turning a large number of bowls per day is relatively easy, provided you're properly set up for such a task. Production turning is a different world than what most hobbyist turners experience. You typically don't complete one at a time, you turn 20 or 30, then the next day you begin to finish 20 or 30 and so on.
As with most woodworking and numerous other crafts, prep time and finish time far outweigh actual time on the machine.
Time needed for the act of turning itself is minimal.
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Reply #14 - Apr 9th, 2018 at 6:23pm
 
The question wasn't whether one person could complete thousands of bowls a year, but what channel(s) would be used to sell a large quantity.

Watch Mr. Lucas' videos to appreciate his rate of production.  Maybe it was 2000 instead of 3000 a year - regardless, it is a full time production effort.
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