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Nov 21st, 2018 at 10:37pm
 
So I just finished putting up insulation in my garage and now need a heat source. I live in MN so heat is a must in winter.

Question is this, I have a sunburst heater, the propane tank kind we all grew up with. Packaging says outdoor use only. Would it be safe and effective in my 1 car garage as long as I have a window cracked open for ventilation?

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Reply #1 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 10:49pm
 
had one of the jet looking K1 heaters for a while but im glad the old shop was drafty cause it coudl not have been good for me to be in there all the time with it running.  when i built the new shop a got a propane shop dawg heater from modine.  its great i have it on a house controler.  i know my shop is not the same as garage but if you can swing it its $ well spent.  if you dont have gas at home look into duel 60Lb tanks with a self switching RV regulator that way you can let one tank run all the way out before filling and  never run out of heat.  the 60lb tanks are not too bad to move compared to 100lb ones (i have to move my tanks 100yd from house to shop and  sometimes i dont want to drive the truck over the soft ground )
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Reply #2 - Nov 22nd, 2018 at 8:43am
 
I will upgrade eventually but canít right now. Please answer my initial question, I am simply looking for help with that. Thank you!
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Reply #3 - Nov 22nd, 2018 at 9:05am
 
I use a sunburst in my shop but Iíll bet my shop is a little more drafty than your garage. An open window would help but to feel completely safe I think I would put a Smoke/CO detector up just to be safe.
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Reply #4 - Nov 22nd, 2018 at 9:25am
 
Itís not a good idea to use this type of heater in an enclosed space thatís why it says outdoor use only. If you must use it make sure you use good ventilation and get someone to check up on you every couple of hours. The moisture from it will also likely make your tools rusty.
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Reply #5 - Nov 22nd, 2018 at 10:02am
 
So... based on the above comments AND the company actually telling you to NOT use it indoors...unless you have a window cracked open,  I would have to say no!

You could leave the garage door open and then you would probably be ok. Shocked Roll Eyes

Go buy a direct vent heater. Wall mounted or hanging, depending on the sq/ft of your garage.

I remember a local up here who thought that if he just cracked open the window next to the Kerosene heater a bit, he would be ok.

Luckly, a friend happened to stop by and found him barely conscious in his recliner.
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Reply #6 - Nov 22nd, 2018 at 10:32am
 
Thanks folks, I bought this one because Menards has it for $20, my budget is extremely limited.

So I will leave a window open and have a CO detector in the garage. I plan on using this for only a couple of months until I save enough for something to last longer.  Thumbs Up
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Reply #7 - Nov 22nd, 2018 at 11:10am
 
The last time we used a gas heater indoors gave me a terrible headache even with ventilation so maybe get some Paracetamol as well!
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Reply #8 - Nov 22nd, 2018 at 11:22am
 
How about going to Walmart and buying a couple of those oil filled electric heaters?

You could put a fan  behind them to push the heat around.

Seriously? Shocked


Good luck and i hope you survive the winter. Roll Eyes

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Reply #9 - Nov 22nd, 2018 at 12:25pm
 
Andrew, to answer your question: Nope
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Reply #10 - Nov 22nd, 2018 at 1:02pm
 
If it says for outdoor use only your insurance company will not cover you if your house burns down from it.  Just sayin
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Reply #11 - Nov 22nd, 2018 at 2:15pm
 
Not to be a pain but.. in the middle of winter when I want to get warm I either or both turn off the AC or just open the door. Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #12 - Nov 22nd, 2018 at 4:53pm
 
Ok, NO. I have been a licensed funeral director for almost 40 years. I have pulled many fools out of their basements and garages. Carbon monoxide is orderless, silent, and deadly. If you hapen to survive, you could be brain damaged. I say fools only because they all should have known better.
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Reply #13 - Nov 22nd, 2018 at 6:45pm
 
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Reply #14 - Nov 22nd, 2018 at 7:54pm
 
Okey dokey folks, letís try a different question.

I have 120v electrical in my garage and no gas line. My garage is roughly 350sq ft.

How should I heat it for under $100?
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Reply #15 - Nov 22nd, 2018 at 9:44pm
 
I turn in a drafty old horse barn in upstate NY. I use an overhead electric radiant heater, but if you like 72 degress year round, it won't work. It's within your budget though, and since you're Mn., get more than one! Along with a heavy coat, gloves, and boots, I make sure there is a couple of inches of shavings on the floor for insulation.....
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Reply #16 - Nov 22nd, 2018 at 9:47pm
 
Haha thanks, actually just looking to keep it about 60 degrees so Iím not cold and finishes can dry on stuff. Apart from turning I also build small tables, etc.

The idea is to heat up the garage then I can turn off the active heat source off and Iíll be able to hold the temp for awhile.
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Reply #18 - Nov 22nd, 2018 at 10:12pm
 
I would get an oil filled radiator heater.  Once they heat up they take awhile to cool down.  Use a fan behind it to circulate the heat.
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The quartz heater from Amazon would be my choice. The problem will be the cold concrete floor. If  the garage is a dedicated shop, can you lay down some foam panels as a buffer? They donít have to be permanet.
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Chris Neilan wrote on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 11:14pm:
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Reply #22 - Nov 24th, 2018 at 5:12am
 
I use a fan heater when itís cold but all our outlets are 230V. It doesnít take long to reach a good temperature but my shop is about half the size of Andrews.
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I have one like (maybe the same as) the one David linked to.
It works for me but I do not try to heat the entire shop with it.
I have it mounted low on my comfort cart and place it about six feet from the lathe.†
I can take my projects into the house for finishing/drying if necessary since it all lathe work now.
If it were me I would use the propane to bring it up to speed then this type or a small electric space heater to maintain.
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Reply #24 - Nov 24th, 2018 at 11:20am
 
Andrew Abercrombie wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 10:37pm:
Packaging says outdoor use only.

I don't think they are kidding around.

Look at Ceramic heaters. I have a pair that are great. I have no idea what they cost but I know they are inexpensive to run.
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Reply #25 - Nov 24th, 2018 at 11:23am
 
Another issue with non-vented heaters that is not mentioned here is the moisture that they put in the air. Even if they are catalyzed to reduce the danger from breathing fumes, much of the combustion product is water which stays in the heated space. This obviously is undesirable when you are trying to maintain an environment with reduced or controlled moisture.
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Reply #26 - Nov 24th, 2018 at 12:45pm
 
If i'm going to be in the shop for more than 2 hours,† Wood stove, made from a 55 gallon barrel/with kit.† †Less than 2 hours, i use this heater and keep it† 3 to 4 ft.† from me
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Reply #27 - Nov 24th, 2018 at 1:24pm
 
I have a Dyson Heater/Fan
They are expensive but they work well and are reliable.
The main reasons I like them are accurate thermostat and it doesn't draw too much current. I've had (many) other portable heaters over the years, I've even had some where the plug actually melted after prolonged use, like overnight.  A proper thermostat, rather than a "set and guess" dial or an H,M,L switch is much better IMO. I set it at 70 and it maintains 70, no guesswork. My outside temperature can vary up to 40 degrees over the course of a day. I also like the fact that I don't have to change it out as the seasons change, I just switch the heat off and use it as a fan.
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Reply #28 - Nov 28th, 2018 at 7:18am
 
This is what I have been using for the last 4 years in my insulated shop here in Iowa.† The size of the shop is 22.9x17.9x10 high

I set it at 60 degrees and it will kick on and off when needed and has a remote as well.


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At 20 below it keeps the shop at 55 continually if I have it set at 65 and I have never turned it up more then that since that is great temp for me.
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Reply #30 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 5:54pm
 
How reliably does the rated wattage relate to the quantity of heat actually produced?  Or are some heaters more efficient than others?
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Don Stephan wrote on Dec 2nd, 2018 at 5:54pm:
How reliably does the rated wattage relate to the quantity of heat actually produced?  Or are some heaters more efficient than others?


I can't say for all or course but some I've seen will advertise the MAX BTU output (set to high) and the MIN draw (set on low) So you think you're getting a unit that sips electricity when you're really not. You really need to know the power draw on all the settings.
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Reply #32 - Dec 4th, 2018 at 1:59pm
 
I'm a bit late to the party here as I'm a new member.† † I'm in pretty much the same situation as the OP.† † I live in Maine and for four years now have had a 24'x24' insulated but unheated workshop.† † For brief periods (less than an hour) in the winter I'll use a 1500 watt electric heater.† † For anything longer than that I use a Dyna-Glo propane heater:
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As a couple of other people have said, there's a problem with moisture from using the unvented propane heater.† † So, I'm going to bite the bullet and save up for a thermostatically-controlled vented pellet stove.† † Hopefully by next winter I'll have scraped together enough cash to make that happen.
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Reply #33 - Feb 23rd, 2019 at 8:32pm
 
Len Layman wrote on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 2:15pm:
when I want to get warm I either or both turn off the AC or just open the door.

Well Lenn at our place if we open the door usually from November to April it is naturally air conditioned.
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Reply #34 - Mar 3rd, 2019 at 7:57pm
 
Under 100.00 good luck.  However, for 12% more, The orange box store has this.

Cadet Com-Pak Plus 9 in. x 12 in. 1500-Watt 120-Volt Fan-Forced In-Wall Electric Heater in White
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It may be a bit small for 350 sq. feet, but my 1500 watt in a 176 sq foot shop heats so much, that it about drives me out.  I live in Idaho, where it is not unusual to have -10 degree days in the winter.  Hope this helps.

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My first link  was hard to understand.  Look  Broan big heat model 6201www.walmart.com/ip/Broan-NuTone-6201-Big-Heat-Heater
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Reply #36 - Sep 16th, 2019 at 10:04am
 
I will answer your question. NO NO NO It could kill you.
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Reply #38 - Apr 6th, 2020 at 10:51am
 
I have been using a infrared heater from duraflame for years. You can find them used all over the place; It rolls on wheels and is small enough not to get in your way. I just blow out the filter that is removable every few days. It keeps my two and a half car insulated garage quite warm. I set it at 58 degrees in the winter (Olympic mountain range) and it costs around 25 dollars a month to heat. No dangerous gas, and they last.
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Reply #39 - Apr 6th, 2020 at 12:06pm
 
Last Fall I installed a DIY HVAC unit in my shop/ garage. It keeps it warm enough to work out there. Will be trying it this summer and will let you know. I bought it from HVAC Direct. It's a 220V unit. Cost around $1200.00 I now work more in shop than before.

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Reply #40 - Apr 6th, 2020 at 7:32pm
 
An electric space heater sounds like a better choice than the gas ones for inside.  Get one that can move the air and place it so you are between it and the lathe.  Depending on your insulation in the garage, you probably won't be working when it is frigid but it should be enough to take the edge off.  I work in a heated garage in MN.  The previous suggestion of a Hot Dawg heater should be your future aspiration.  I love mine.
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Reply #41 - Dec 28th, 2020 at 8:47am
 
I guess the question that needs answering is how much "fuel" you need to heat the garage.† You can probably find a calculator online that will estimate the amount of BTUs you need.† Armed with that we can probably give a few recommendations.†

Unless you have a LOT of 120V amperage available in the garage, I doubt that you will have enough "electrical fuel" to get it done.† I use one of these in my workshop and where I live it is fine. (OK, I can't post the link, yet. I'll include it in the next post.)

In the interest of full disclosure, before I retired I had a much larger shop and had one these same heaters, although I think it is 400,000 btu.† I still use that one to warm the shop up in a hurry and then switch over to the smaller model to maintain the temp.
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Reply #42 - Dec 28th, 2020 at 8:48am
 
Link to the heater I use:

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Reply #43 - Dec 28th, 2020 at 9:35am
 
To follow up from earlier, My heat pump I installed last summer could be larger on the BTUs. It takes about 1 to 1 1/2 hours to warm up my un-insulated garage. So I have to turn it on before breakfast so it is warm when I get out there. Still not sure of the cost of running it yet as I have not run it very long. I think I'll find out it is less expensive to keep temperature than to try to warm up each morning.

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Re: Garage Heat
Reply #44 - Dec 28th, 2020 at 9:41am
 
Gene Kearns wrote on Dec 28th, 2020 at 8:48am:
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Gene, I'm glad it works for you.† † For myself, a problem I had with a non-vented propane heater was moisture build-up in the shop.† † Also, living in Maine, I wanted my shop to be heated (to some extent) 24/7 in the winter so I wasn't trying to take it from below freezing to working temperatures every time I wanted to use it.† † I finally purchased a vented pellet stove and it's working well for me.† †† In hindsight, a vented thermostatically controlled propane heater would probably have been a better (but more expensive) choice.
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Reply #45 - Dec 28th, 2020 at 9:56am
 
I would be very leery of using any portable propane heater in the shop.  We almost lost a good friend last winter to carbon monoxide poisoning.  He was working on a piece of equipment in his shop with the door open with the heater in the doorway.  He didn't realize the wind was blowing the CO into the shop.   He survived but has suffered some neurological damage and can't go back to his old job.  He's also farmer and now needs help on some of what he used to do around the farm.
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Reply #46 - Feb 11th, 2021 at 9:41am
 
Small wood stove.
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