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2 stage wax finish (HUT PPP)
Sep 27th, 2019 at 8:30am
 
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I have been trying my hand with HUT PPP wax. its a 2 stage process and it turns out very pretty. Im having an issue after the wax cools about 20 minutes later the finish on the outside of my bowl almost look blotchy. I am applying the wax stick directly to the bowl and using a shop rag and hand for friction heat and buffing. Am i doing something wrong here? The inside of the bowl doesnt get blotchy. only the outside.
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Reply #1 - Sep 27th, 2019 at 11:15pm
 
This Topic was moved here from Tips & Techniques by David Hamann.
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Re: 2 stage wax finish (HUT PPP)
Reply #2 - Sep 28th, 2019 at 8:18am
 
I've only used this on pens and spindles,but from my experience, you need a lot of friction to get the best results. So, don't use a soft cloth, use a folded paper towel. If the paper towel does not get uncomfortably warm in your fingers, you are not pressing hard enough or spinning the piece fast enough. Finally, I never saw a great deal of difference in the sheen between just using the tripoli/brown bar and the white diamond/white bar, but your results may vary.

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you may want to look at it. His results seem to coincide pretty much with mine, but he explains the process in full.
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Re: 2 stage wax finish (HUT PPP)
Reply #3 - Sep 28th, 2019 at 9:42am
 
Reading the post that Grant posted you might not be getting enough wax on the outside. I am just guessing so don't think it's a law.
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Re: 2 stage wax finish (HUT PPP)
Reply #4 - Sep 28th, 2019 at 6:56pm
 
As the linked web page mentions, even carnauba wax is relatively soft and wears off with repeated handling.  For that reason I'm not comfortable applying it to pens and bowls.

On this or another forum seems like recently I saw a suggestion to refer to wax as a coating, rather than a finish, given that it wears off quickly with handling.

Unless I missed something, the original post does not indicate whether the wax is being applied to raw wood or over oil/varnish/. . .
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Reply #5 - Oct 2nd, 2019 at 11:06am
 
In reading the linked report, The wax is more of a carrier for the fine polishes and is used over an oil finish.

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Re: 2 stage wax finish (HUT PPP)
Reply #6 - Oct 2nd, 2019 at 5:39pm
 
Don Stephan wrote on Sep 28th, 2019 at 6:56pm:
As the linked web page mentions, even carnauba wax is relatively soft and wears off with repeated handling.



This is where terms hard and soft get confusing.
Waxes are not as hard as cured finished so they're considered soft
Carnuba wax is actually the hardest natural wax there is, so it's hard.
How you refer to it's hardness or softness depends on the context.
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Reply #7 - Jan 22nd, 2020 at 9:00am
 
So it turns out after really no research at all.... The blotches were coming from my finger oils as i handled the bowl before wax. Happened with mineral oil as well (very clammy hands).
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Kyle Scott wrote on Jan 22nd, 2020 at 9:00am:
So it turns out after really no research at all.... The blotches were coming from my finger oils as i handled the bowl before wax. Happened with mineral oil as well (very clammy hands).
Is there a reason for using mineral oil? It does not cure so anything placed on top is going to slide off.
Is there a reason for not using WOP?
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Re: 2 stage wax finish (HUT PPP)
Reply #9 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 12:36pm
 
Glenn Jacobs wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 12:08pm:
Kyle Scott wrote on Jan 22nd, 2020 at 9:00am:
So it turns out after really no research at all.... The blotches were coming from my finger oils as i handled the bowl before wax. Happened with mineral oil as well (very clammy hands).
Is there a reason for using mineral oil? It does not cure so anything placed on top is going to slide off.
Is there a reason for not using WOP?

I was using mineral oil for a food safe bowl i turned for a friend. They wanted a nice bowl for their superfruit food posts on instagram. Ill take the advertising!! is WOP food safe after a full cure?
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Re: 2 stage wax finish (HUT PPP)
Reply #10 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 9:02pm
 
Same suggestion as I made for your question about finishing pens.  First decide what properties are most important to you when finishing bowls.  And your list may change for salad mixing bowls, cereal bowls, art bowls, et cetera.  And remember the rule of experience - ask a question of ten turners and expect 11 different answers.
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Reply #11 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 9:18pm
 
Guys, what does (WOP) stand for?
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Reply #12 - Jan 25th, 2020 at 7:15pm
 
My guess is wipe on polyurethane, somewhat thinner than brushing polyurethane so that it can be applied with a bit of rag or paper towel.
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Re: 2 stage wax finish (HUT PPP)
Reply #13 - Jan 26th, 2020 at 9:17pm
 
wipe on polyurethane AKA wipe on poly

Don R Davis wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 9:18pm:
Guys, what does (WOP) stand for?

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Reply #14 - Jan 27th, 2020 at 8:01pm
 
Glad you asked Don, somewhere on this web site if I remember there is a list of abbreviations and corresponding terms.  Ed to the rescue?
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