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Tradional or Replacable tip???
Sep 16th, 2020 at 10:12am
 
Just a little casual survey.
Do you use Traditional or Replaceable tip tools for the majority of your tuning?
I don't mean specialty tools, I'm just talking about turning a spindle or bowl, which would you reach for?
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Reply #1 - Sep 16th, 2020 at 10:17am
 
Roughing I use replaceable, than I turn up speed and use traditional.

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Reply #2 - Sep 16th, 2020 at 11:19am
 
Well, the main replaceable tools I can think of are the carbide tips, and maybe hollowing tool tips. I go with traditional. I just can't get past the 'use it then replace it' mentality. Maybe it was my grandma who lived through the depression in 1928 or so... She never threw anything away till it couldn't be used again.

I have yet to buy any of the Mike Hunter tools, and I may make an exception for that, some day...

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Reply #3 - Sep 16th, 2020 at 12:45pm
 
Glenn Jacobs wrote on Sep 16th, 2020 at 10:17am:
Roughing I use replaceable, than I turn up speed and use traditional.

For roughing, I use traditional tools. I then switch to carbide. If I can get a good finish using the carbide I continue with it. If not, I go back to traditional tools. Generally though, the carbide works most of the time and I don't have to go back and forth to the grinder.
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Reply #4 - Sep 16th, 2020 at 6:36pm
 
I use both, depending on my mood. Probably more traditional though.
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Reply #5 - Sep 16th, 2020 at 6:39pm
 
robo_hippy wrote on Sep 16th, 2020 at 11:19am:
my grandma who lived through the depression in 1928 or so... She never threw anything away till it couldn't be used again.
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My depression era grand parents never threw anything away, even if it was shot. Just kept using it.
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Reply #6 - Sep 16th, 2020 at 6:43pm
 
Don't own replaceable tip tools.
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Reply #7 - Sep 17th, 2020 at 8:34am
 
I don't own carbide, yet. Aren't they just scrapers, and wouldn't that not cause some tear out? Smiley
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Reply #8 - Sep 17th, 2020 at 9:33am
 
robo_hippy wrote on Sep 16th, 2020 at 11:19am:
Well, the main replaceable tools I can think of are the carbide tips, and maybe hollowing tool tips. I go with traditional. I just can't get past the 'use it then replace it' mentality. Maybe it was my grandma who lived through the depression in 1928 or so... She never threw anything away till it couldn't be used again.

I have yet to buy any of the Mike Hunter tools, and I may make an exception for that, some day...

robo hippy


You can, and I do sharpen carbide cutters. You have to use diamond plates. I use a plate that is about 1 inch wide and 4 inches long. They don't cost much. There is no way I would use carbide cutters if I had to throw them away.

I started using carbide then I started using traditional. So I use both and I like both tools.
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Reply #9 - Sep 17th, 2020 at 9:58am
 
Don R Davis wrote on Sep 17th, 2020 at 9:33am:
ou can, and I do sharpen carbide cutters. You have to use diamond plates. I use a plate that is about 1 inch wide and 4 inches long. They don't cost much. There is no way I would use carbide cutters if I had to throw them away.


Harbor Frieght has a trio for almost nothing. I gave them for Christmas presents so the kids would have sharp knives.

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Reply #10 - Sep 17th, 2020 at 10:18am
 
Rick Caron wrote on Sep 17th, 2020 at 8:34am:
I don't own carbide, yet. Aren't they just scrapers, and wouldn't that not cause some tear out?


The majority are and yes they can.
The tools have evolved somewhat to now have negative rake tips, (and other things I'm sure)

A few things about sharpening carbide.
1. I'll never do it. (many, many reasons)
2. Sharpening as Don described will only work on flat top cutters.
3. Carbide is a man-made alloy. Not all carbide is created equally.

Carbide holds an edge longer than HSS but it is much more brittle.This is why it's not typically sharpened to the same degree as HSS (not as sharp). This is for the reasons or cutting edge longevity and strength.

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Reply #11 - Sep 17th, 2020 at 10:44am
 
I started out with carbides but began the slow switch to traditional tools several years in.  As we've all learned early on, turning is a pricey hobby and the carbides allowed me to focus on turning without worrying about whether I had a grinder, wheels, jigs, etc.  Additionally...I simply wanted to just turn wood and didn't really care so much if I was turning the 'right way' as some look down on the carbide world.  Eventually however, I slowly made the switch to traditional tools first to lessen the amount of sanding I was doing but the secondly to as I found traditional tools allowed me greater creativity.  Answer to the question...I use traditional tools having sold all of my carbides.
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Reply #12 - Sep 17th, 2020 at 10:49am
 
The flat carbide tips are scrapers. There are a couple of cup shaped carbide tips, like the ones from Mike Hunter, and they are intended for shear cutting, and rubbing the bevel. The flat ones can be sharpened, though it seems from what I have heard, they are never as sharp as they are when they come out of the package. The cup shaped cutters generally are not resharpenable. John Lucas, on other forums, but not here, did an article on them, including some micro photographs. The cup shaped cutters would chip when he sharpened them. No idea why. I really don't know how they sharpen them at the factory either. I would guess they have grits far finer than 1000. You need diamond to sharpen carbide. CBN will do it, but very slowly, and it is hard on your wheel. I know Tormek has a 1200 grit carbide wheel, but no clue about it either. I only use my Tormek for honing.

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Reply #13 - Sep 17th, 2020 at 1:08pm
 
John Grace wrote on Sep 17th, 2020 at 10:44am:
I simply wanted to just turn wood and didn't really care so much if I was turning the 'right way' as some look down on the carbide world.

Not right or wrong, simply different
robo_hippy wrote on Sep 17th, 2020 at 10:49am:
The flat carbide tips are scrapers.

If you want a scraper great, other than that...




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Reply #14 - Sep 17th, 2020 at 7:41pm
 
I mix and match depending on what I'm making, what type wood I'm turning, how I'm feeling that particular day, and which tool feels best in my hand and cuts best on the wood.  I've got round and square carbide tools (and a couple of cup cutter tools), a full complement of spindle and bowl gouges, and traditional scrapers of every size and shape.  I'm fairly proficient at using all of them.

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