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Bruce Kamp
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Hollowing Systems
Feb 4th, 2021 at 2:29pm
 
I have searched the tool talk forum and was unable to find any threads on comparing hollowing systems. Maybe there but I wasn't able to find them.
Want to start hollowing. I have tried the hand helds a bit but realize that I might be better off with a system that reduced the torque.
What are the thoughts on an articulated system vs a capture system? Trent Bosch vs Lyle Jamieson or others?
I have watched videos and read comments on each but most of them are older. I am wondering what the current thinking is.
I don't anticipate wanting to go any taller than 12", but who knows.
Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
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Re: Hollowing Systems
Reply #1 - Feb 4th, 2021 at 3:06pm
 
Won't be much help to you, but I was admiring a vase that forum member Ralph Fahringer made, and I asked him how he had hollowed it.   Ralph's reply, "Nerves of steel."   He elaborated on that a bit, bit it did boil down to "nerves of steel."

I assume that you're looking for something that requires less steely nerves.  Smiley
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Reply #2 - Feb 4th, 2021 at 3:23pm
 
Yes, you are correct. I realize the skill involved in trying to find the proper angle to present the tool plus how to determine the thickness. My few attempts in trying to do this with a hand held tool and no additional support was nerve racking. Also, not productive or fun.
The systems seem to take a lot of this out of the equation. Some might consider it "cheating" but I look at it more as advancing my skill.  Wink
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Reply #3 - Feb 4th, 2021 at 4:21pm
 
I think it is only cheating if you have someone else turn it and then say you did it.  Shocked

Any tool that makes it easier to do a job is good with me. I hung on for dear life and got it but a hollowing setup would be a nice addition to my shop.


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Reply #4 - Feb 4th, 2021 at 5:03pm
 
A big topic. Lots of opinions. It depends on the type of end product you are aiming for (as usual). And it get expensive in a hurry (as usual). It would help to start small, with mentoring. Hand held tools can do a good job creating creating smaller hollow forms, especially with softer or medium density woods. Staying within the reach/turning radius capability of a tool determines the ease of use and success. After lots of mentor help and practice, I got comfortable with hand held hollowers on pieces up to 6-7 inches of diameter/reach. An easy hollower to use is the Easy Wood mid-size hollower ($$). Bigger than that, torque becomes an issue, so I now use a D-way hollowing tool when it becomes bothersome ($$$). When reach became an issue, I used an articulated holder (Monster) for over 10 years. It worked very well, nice long (safe) reach. Last year I invested in a Bosch system, with carbide cutters. Very well engineered, easy to set up, and with a sliding headstock, even fun to use. I don't use a laser pointer yet, but if I had a lot of hollowing to do, it would save time. 
But it helps to have mentoring and begin at the beginning.

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Reply #5 - Feb 4th, 2021 at 5:44pm
 
I use a Monster setup with a laser pointer. I was like you with being on the fence about what direction to go. Then this Monster setup popped up on SMC at a very decent price.

The captured systems looked like they occupied too much floor space while in use. With that I was looking for articulated only. I cannot give a comparison because the Monster is the only hollower I have ever used. Prior to the Monster I did hollowing by hand. Those that use video instead of a laser swear by the video.
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Reply #6 - Feb 4th, 2021 at 7:35pm
 
Granted the pandemic has reduced the opportunity to visit other turners but the best way to resolve your questions is to visit some turners using the different options.  Joining a "local" turning group, even if in the next town, can be a tremendous benefit.  Some have designated mentors to address your exact situation.
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Reply #7 - Feb 4th, 2021 at 11:37pm
 
Got mine from Simon Hope.  Very happy with it.  This guy does an honest review.
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Reply #8 - Feb 5th, 2021 at 7:16am
 
I started with the Monster setup. How I have Trent Bosch Stabilizer system and love it. I prefer John Jordan’s tool bars because they have a set screw that holds the cutter in place rather than ca glued. I also have replace the HSS cutter with AZ carbide 6mm cup cutters and tear drop scrapers.
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Reply #9 - Feb 5th, 2021 at 10:32am
 
You can make your own for a lot less $$.  Here is the one I built.  I think I spent $35 for the metal. $10 for the nut & handle, pivot bolts and locking nuts & set screws, $20 to have the ends bored to hold the boring bar. $5 at Harbor Freight for the metal cutting bits.  A buddy did the cutting and welding for me (& curved one rod for getting under the top).  I have boring bars of 1/2" and 3/4" diameter but only used the 3/4" one once.  The laser set up is from Ron Brown's Best (around $70).  I used to have one I made, but this one is much better.

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Reply #10 - Feb 24th, 2021 at 2:01pm
 
Thank you all for your great input. It helped. I was lucky enough to find a full Monster system and have tried my hand at a couple of forms. As expected I am working my way through the learning curve. It sure beats hand held. I need a lot of practice. I started out with the idea of doing large forms and using them as a canvas for piercing. Until I get better at this I think it will be better to begin with smaller forms and work my way up. Large dried blanks are tough to come by. I also may take a stab at turning some green stuff.
I also ordered the small set of John Jordon hollowing tools. 1/2".
I will try to post some results later as I am able to produce worthy pieces.
Thanks again.
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Reply #11 - Feb 24th, 2021 at 6:33pm
 
Bruce i would take a stab at turning green hollow forms sooner then later.  It makes it a lot easier to hollow with green wood then dry wood.  If you want round forms turn green to 3/4 to 1 inch thick walls then coat the entire outside with your choice of sealer.  Once dry return it to the lathe to make it round.
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Reply #12 - Mar 5th, 2021 at 11:23am
 
I have the Trent Bosch 3/4" stabilizer; it has made hollowing almost enjoyable. If you plan on turning small vessels, then you need the 5/8 and 1/2" tool sets. It gets very expensive quickly, but the build quality is top notch.
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Reply #13 - Mar 5th, 2021 at 11:41am
 
I have been looking and I think I am leaning towards the Elbo system from Tim Yoder. Almost 50% cheaper than the Trent Bosch which looks very nice but I can't justify 50% higher price as a hobbyist.
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