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David Hamann WR Administrator WR Patron Offline papadave Posts: 5,701 Pasco WA Washington USA Gender: Jet 1014VSI	Re: Dying wood Reply #15 - Feb 26^th, 2009 at 6:01pm what about using the liquid rit dye as is??
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Norbert Dupas WR Addict Offline Posts: 684 Oakbank Manitoba Canada Gender:	Re: Dying wood Reply #16 - Feb 26^th, 2009 at 10:10pm Do you soak the bowl in it? or do you apply it with a rag or brush or whatever?
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Re: Dying wood
Reply #17 - Feb 26^th, 2009 at 10:51pm

Don your rubber/plastic gloves and apply w/a soft, lintless, cloth. Rit will "build up" the more coats you apply to a sanded, raw, wood, piece. This makes it easy to control the color.

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I've never tried liquid Rit but I suspect it will work as well.

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Re: Dying wood
Reply #19 - Feb 27^th, 2009 at 6:26pm

David Hamann wrote on Feb 26^th, 2009 at 6:01pm:

what about using the liquid rit dye as is??

I tried the rit dye, soaking it in pure dye and after sanding it lightly, I had to reapply several times, it may have been the wood I used but it doesn't penetrate well if you use it with out diluting it, I haven't tried watering it down, but that is my next test to see if I can get it to penetrate better. That is why I asked about the ink used in Japan... Hey Stu... wheres my answer young man... hehehe

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Re: Dying wood
Reply #20 - Feb 27^th, 2009 at 8:40pm

I am in the early stages of experimentation, but I will pass on what I have found, and what I have watched others who are very good do. I use analine dyes, that come in powdered form. Some will mix with water, and some with denatured alcohol. I prefer the alcohol, but it really doesn't make that much of a difference.

I use only light colored woods, and try to find ones with a lot of figure. Dye will not make a boring wood exciting, but it can really enhance a lot of figure or burly grain. I like to mix colors and blend them to add layers. It is not my technique, I watched who else...Jimmy Clewes do it, and watched his video about 20 timed until I figured out what he was doing.

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Re: Dying wood
Reply #21 - Feb 28^th, 2009 at 7:55am

Mike Baber wrote on Feb 27^th, 2009 at 6:26pm:

David Hamann wrote on Feb 26^th, 2009 at 6:01pm:

what about using the liquid rit dye as is??

I tried the rit dye, soaking it in pure dye and after sanding it lightly, I had to reapply several times, it may have been the wood I used but it doesn't penetrate well if you use it with out diluting it, I haven't tried watering it down, but that is my next test to see if I can get it to penetrate better. That is why I asked about the ink used in Japan... Hey Stu... wheres my answer young man... hehehe

I had the same results. I even tried placing the wood and dye in a vacuum chamber and that didn't help much.

My guess is the particles of dye that Rit uses are to big to pass into the wood deeply.

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I am in the early stages of experimentation, but I will pass on what I have found, and what I have watched others who are very good do. I use analine dyes, that come in powdered form. Some will mix with water, and some with denatured alcohol. I prefer the alcohol, but it really doesn't make that much of a difference.

One difference between water and alcohol based aniline dyes is water based dyes don't fade as fast as alcohol based dyes. Since alcohol dries quickly, the dye doesn't penetrate into the wood deeply, hence it fades.

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Re: Dying wood
Reply #22 - Feb 28^th, 2009 at 9:28am

Many of you will remember this goblet for the C&T. The apple stem is dyed red with Rit dye. I have it mixed in a water bottle that started with just shy of 1/2 a bottle of water and a whole package of Rit. I then shook the bottle really hard until I could not hear any more of the grit hitting the sides of the bottle. I repeated the shaking for several days. Best I can tell, there are no solids that are not in suspension.

To get the deep red color, I applied and let it dry for about 5 minutes. I sanded with 600 and reapplied the dye. Dried and sanded again. A third application of dye with the same drying and sanding times. Finally a 4th application of dye that I rubbed down with steel wool lightly and began to apply finish. It was the 4th coat of dye and the finish that gave the pop I was looking for.
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E. Bud Gillaspie WR Addict Offline Where'd I put that round tuit? Posts: 1,182 Gender:	Re: Dying wood Reply #23 - Feb 28^th, 2009 at 1:32pm You folks are diluting the Rit dye base too much. Use less warm water. Apply the dye the same as a wipe-on poly.
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Vaughn McMillan WR Addict Offline Does this nose make me look fat? Posts: 3,797 Albuquerque USA Gender:	Re: Dying wood Reply #25 - Mar 7^th, 2009 at 5:04pm Thanks for that link, Craig. I see lots of potential purchases at that site.
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