The technique used to create this basket illusion is almost completely different than the standard  technique.  This basket illusion is segmented, using maple. Not sure if it’s common to segment or not but I haven’t seen too many done this way.

I wanted the outline of the beads to be darker than could be achieved using traditional methods (wire and pyro tool) so I used black paint instead. Because the vertical lines were made using a 300,000 rpm air tool (which does leave burn marks) and these lines are “into” the vessel not laying on the surface, it allowed me to airbrush the vessel black to get the look I wanted.  I watered the paint down so it would get deep into the small vertical grooves without a buildup of paint. Then I sanded the black paint off the surface so it wouldn’t affect the color of the final design. It did flatten the beads a little, but in all, I don’t think that detracted from the final look. Using this technique made the outline of each bead pure black which I think looks great. I included a close up picture so you can see what I mean.

The final  design was then applied using acrylic paint, not markers. I maintained the horizontal bead lines by applying the paint  low on each bead. Leaving only the black between the beads that would match the vertical lines.

This piece stands 13 inches tall and is 13 inches wide. It has over 37,000 beads. I did make a short movie of the “making” of this piece if you are interested. While most of the movie is standard stuff, the use of the 300,000 air tool might be of interest to some of you. It’s at about 2:50 in the movie, the rest is pretty normal.
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Ed..

I think it should be ok for them to post here  and THEN move the images over to the gallery....mainly because I doubt many people go to the gallery every day to see what new stuff is in there.

Personally, I come here everyday and every once in a while i have a peek over at the gallery.

Also, if it was posted over there, then we wouldn't be able to have a discussion about the piece or how it was done and isn't that what this department (?) is about?

As usual, just my 2¢.

Ed, I think you need to back off posting completed stuff in the gallery.  It something is posted in the gallery there is no chance to discuss the item, ask questions, etc.  In fact in my opinion you are kicking a large part of the value of this forum out the door.  Let me see, how do you spell losing members?

I did not make the policy.
I will pass on your concerns, maybe it's time for a change.
There is, or at least there was, valid reasons for posting finished pieces in the gallery.
One is that they stay there permanently and two is that you can search by photo.

As far as the proper forum goes, we ask that you try to post in the most logical place but we will move the thread if necessary.
It's not my intention to make you guys angry and I don't get paid for my time here so take it easy.
Don't shoot the messenger

Ed,
First off I didn’t suggest that you were trying to move THIS post. What I was referring to was a number of years ago I first started making basket illusions. When I had questions or wanted to show what I had made I posted my work in the regular forum. On of the members asked a question about how I made the shape and I responded that it was segmented. When you or some other administrator saw this it was moved into the segmented forum. From that point on you would not allow me to post a piece that had NOTHING to do with segmenting in any other forum. Stating RULES ARE RULES. So I stopped posting.
Forward to now. This last year I noticed you began a new forum “Embellished Turnings and Techniques- project featured here have been turned on a lathe and clearly visible that a lathe was used in the process. A narrative of the process will be appreciated but not necessarily required.
OK, in that I don’t see ANYTHING  that say’s why this argument is happening. What rule are you talking about. And if there is a rule why is it not posted for those of us that have only recently come back.

NOW that being said I want to claim my time and stand on my soapbox and question why this argument is even coming up and what is wrong with this posting. Years ago I loved this site, I learned so much from the helpful people that came here. I didn’t know squat about turning and was trying to make (and very badly I might add) what would turn out to be basket illusions. I asked many questions and ALWAYS got answers. I stopped using the site because of RULES and was no longer getting feedback that I needed, or seeing pieces or posts that went the direction my passion was taking me.
In the last year I notice this new forum and decided that maybe it was time to rejoin the great people that once helped me so much. In the three years my work has improved , to the point that I have had two artist showings at a gallery in Cleveland in the last  year. One I shared with another artist the second was solely my work. I thought that members of this site might be interested in seeing and asking questions about the making of these pieces.  The new techniques that I have used, the process I incorporated. And here we are, three years later, not one post about the technique of the making of this piece but RULES are RULES, this must be posted elsewhere, where no one will look ,or ask questions, or offer advice.

I’m not trying to be difficult. I just wanted to post something, tell how it was made and get and ask questions. That’s all.

Ok... Personally, I would like to read this list of rules. Ed, please know that I do not hold you personally responsible... buuuut... how DO we go about changing these "rules"?

Someone , somewhere decided these rules.  Do we get a vote or is it by kingly rule?


In my business rule #2 is to ignore rule #1 whenever necessary.

Seems this might be one of those times.

Ralph Fahringer wrote on Oct 20^th, 2018 at 9:41am:


Ask
Right now we are trying to find a solution, taking into account all of your considerations and the gallery & forum software.
We don't want to have people jump through hoops to post a photo but at the same time we have to deal with the current software.

Ron Carrabotta wrote on Oct 20^th, 2018 at 8:44am:

This is all I was getting at, using the term "segmented" in the description was a bit misleading to me.

This is what I can only guess what started this over reaction IMO
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Walt Nolan wrote
"As a moderator of this board I feel this piece has a few homes it could live in.  It was turned so it could go in the Turning forum.  It has a special finish applied to it so it could go in the Finishing forum.  I am glad that you wisely used segmentation to conserve wood to complete your project.  28 years ago I did the same thing using as cheap a wood I could get to complete my projects.
You response

"I understand why, But- if I was someone new to this site and I wanted to see something a member has posted about "basket illusions" what would I look under. Turning would be my first, maybe finishing section next. Of all the things you mentioned this could be under the very last thing I would look for is segmented turning. Since it does actually "nothing" to do with segmenting other than a way to make the shape.
Just saying I disagree with the decision to put it in segmenting but it's not a big deal and whatever you guys decide I'm with you. "

Walt never told you that you had to put your work anywhere, he actually gave you an option and left it up to you. His only comment about segmenting was that it was a good technique to use.
A giant misunderstanding if you ask me.

Ben, I'm not sure what you are so worked up about.
In response to your posts and other in the past we asked members and started the Embellishment forum. (the system works)
All I did now is post a reminder that finished works should be posted in the gallery.
This has always been the case but not enforced in any way, we simply ask.
As I said, maybe it's time to change some procedures but members need to tell us what they do and don't like or else nothing happens. We are open to reasonable suggestions bu you need to tell us.

What exactly would you like us at WR to do to make your visits better?

Ed,
Sorry if this is getting out of hand. You asked what do I,we, want. I get from the number of others that seem to have the same complaint it’s pretty simple. We want to be able to take our embellished turning, and post it in the embellished turning forum and have discussion and questions about our embellished turning. Without being asked to move it or don’t post your embellished turning in the embellished turning forum. Just because it’s finished. How hard is that, why does it have to get so far out of hand.