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Nov 19th, 2020 at 7:28am
 
This post fits somewhat on a turning forum because I'm going to be turning legs for this cutting board, to make a raised cutting board for a very tall son-in-law who is a chef. I'm making the cutting board from the kit below. I've never done anything like this before, so my question is how to glue the many pieces of this kit considering the time to apply the glue and the glue set-up time. I'm concerned that if I glue all the pieces before clamping the whole thing, that the first pieces I've glued will have begun to dry before the clamps are applied. Am I worrying about nothing? I'm planning on using Titebond Ultimate III, unless there's a better recommendation.

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Reply #1 - Nov 19th, 2020 at 8:18am
 
Robert, that link does not lead to any particular product or kit...
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Reply #2 - Nov 19th, 2020 at 8:24am
 
Chris Neilan wrote on Nov 19th, 2020 at 8:18am:
Robert, that link does not lead to any particular product or kit...

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Reply #3 - Nov 19th, 2020 at 8:57am
 
I have made similar cutting boards with no working time issues, although perhaps not with quite that many laminations. Get yourself organized so that the work flows smoothly and I expect you'll be all right. If you are concerned, you can always do the glue up in two partial stages, then glue the sub assemblies together afterward.
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Reply #4 - Nov 19th, 2020 at 9:31am
 
There are many choices of adhesive.
You could use Hyde glue or Fish Glue.
Titebond make a formula with a longer open time
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Reply #5 - Nov 19th, 2020 at 10:06am
 
Ed Weber wrote on Nov 19th, 2020 at 9:31am:
Titebond make a formula with a longer open time
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Helpful, but possibly not the best glue to use for a cutting board which will be washed frequently?

From the "Limitations" of the "Application Guidelines":
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Titebond Extend Wood Glue is not intended for exterior use or where moisture is likely.

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Reply #6 - Nov 19th, 2020 at 10:13am
 
Titebond 111 is good choice IMHO. My steps would be to get organized, spread glue on first joint and rub that joint together to join strip 1 and 2, then proceed down the line till all are glued and joined together. then clamp. By making the glue joint as you glue up, you eliminate the skimming of the glue.

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Reply #7 - Nov 19th, 2020 at 11:04am
 
Exactly how much time do you require to assemble?
Is there no way to break it down into sub assemblies?

Also, they do make Titebond 2 in an extended formula, which has better water resistant properties. Most cutting boards (wooden ones) are rinsed off with mild soapy water, not submerged for prolonged periods of time. This usually does not weaken the glue, not that I've seen, other may have more information about this.

You can also contact them about your project and they will give you suggestions

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Reply #8 - Nov 19th, 2020 at 12:05pm
 
Attached is a picture of one of the boards I am working on right now. This is an end grain board glued with G Flex 650 epoxy.

From the West System description of G Flex 650: Mixed at a 1:1 ratio, this 2-part epoxy gives you 46 minutes of pot life at 72F and an open (working) time of 60-75 minutes. Also: for permanent waterproof bonding.

Messy to clean up? Yes, but a really good working time for complicated glue ups. Slow to cure also at 3~4 hours initial cure and 7~10 hours workable cure time.
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Reply #9 - Nov 19th, 2020 at 12:54pm
 
Ed Weber wrote on Nov 19th, 2020 at 11:04am:
Exactly how much time do you require to assemble? I don't know, as I've never done this sort of work before.
Is there no way to break it down into sub assemblies? Yes, I'm sure that I can do that; I just wasn't certain that I needed to yet.

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Reply #10 - Nov 19th, 2020 at 12:56pm
 
Robert Hayward wrote on Nov 19th, 2020 at 12:05pm:
Attached is a picture of one of the boards I am working on right now. This is an end grain board glued with G Flex 650 epoxy.

From the West System description of G Flex 650: Mixed at a 1:1 ratio, this 2-part epoxy gives you 46 minutes of pot life at 72F and an open (working) time of 60-75 minutes. Also: for permanent waterproof bonding.

Messy to clean up? Yes, but a really good working time for complicated glue ups. Slow to cure also at 3~4 hours initial cure and 7~10 hours workable cure time.

Pricey, but interesting! Thanks for the tip.
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Reply #11 - Nov 19th, 2020 at 5:05pm
 
Thanks for all your help! Smiley

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TITEBOND II EXTEND WOOD GLUE

Titebond II Extend Wood Glue combines weatherproof performance (ANSI Type II water-resistance) with a slower speed of set.

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Reply #12 - Nov 25th, 2020 at 11:04pm
 
Pretty similar to Robert, I use West System 105 Epoxy resin with the "extra slow" 209 hardener.  Gives about an hour working time.  Not the cheapest "glue" but shelf life is at least 10 years.
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