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segmented bowls and vases my KISS (KEEP IT SIMPLY STUPID) pr
Feb 21st, 2025 at 7:36am
 
I contemplated for some time not posting something like the following simply because I did not want to come off as a know it all, I truly am not. While I have been woodworking for a long time I discovered segmented bowls by chance 3 years ago, I didn't even own a lathe then. At first blush it looked very complex and it took me a bunch of digging and reading to get the process in my head as I was shopping for a lathe. What I am trying to accomplish here is to share how I have stumbled my way through the process of building and sometimes destroying segmented bowls and vases without some of the complexity that can creep into this process.
What I have worked out for myself is, for me, a simple and quick way of designing and detailing a segmented bowl or vase . I am sure it will be repetition and known detail to some but may give some insight of another way of getting a project from concept to spinning on your lathe.

The chart below is the way I try to envision and detail the segment bowls and vases I try to build. The design portion is basically sketched out by hand on a grid on a white board. The segments are recorded form any of the segment calculators available on line and from Google Playstore. I have included some of the calculator links here.
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That detail is not in the drawing detail as I often decide on the feature ring design at some point after the basic design is drawn out. That was the case here. Anyway hopefully the details here will be of some help to anyone contemplating jumping into segment turning but hesitate because of some of the fog that can surround the process. Please ask any question about any part of the process.
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NOTE looking at the finished vase picture the feature ring detail at rings number 7 & 8 are shown outlined in darker wood. I decided to merge rings 7 & 8 into one taller feature ring not detailed in the plan sketch and not in the drawing. I often decide on a feature ring design at some point after the basic design is drawn out. That was the case here.
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Re: segmented bowls and vases my KISS (KEEP IT SIMPLY STUPID) pr
Reply #1 - Feb 21st, 2025 at 10:34am
 
I was having trouble figuring out how you were going to do the feature ring with 3/4" stock.  Then I reread your last paragraph.  Looks good, this is pretty much how I do what few segmented pieces I've done.  I've used both the blocklayer.com calculator and Ron's calculator on this site.  Both are really good, I prefer the blocklayer one only because it gives the measurements in fractions instead of decimal.  I need to get a decimal ruler or a new set of calipers to use the decimal based calculator.
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Re: segmented bowls and vases my KISS (KEEP IT SIMPLY STUPID) pr
Reply #2 - Feb 21st, 2025 at 8:03pm
 
Hi Bill Thanks for looking and your comment. On the decimal thing ...at one time i  memorized all the fraction / decimal  equivalents that was many years ago. Today I simply don't even try and  have 3 or 4 conversion charts sprinkled around the shop.
Thanks again for looking in.
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Re: segmented bowls and vases my KISS (KEEP IT SIMPLY STUPID) pr
Reply #3 - Feb 22nd, 2025 at 3:05pm
 
Everyone has their own process, that being said here are my comments.
Your rings are all the same height (3/4") with varying lengths depending on layer position but what I refer to as depth (wall thickness) is what I question.
You bottom layer alignment looks okay but when you get to the transition between 5 and 6, 6 and 7 and on up, you leave very little room for error of any kind.
If alignment is off, if the turning is off, even just a little, you find yourself in a position where the wall may become thinner that you would like.

It's just a word of caution, don't skimp on the material in these areas, you can find yourself in trouble.
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Re: segmented bowls and vases my KISS (KEEP IT SIMPLY STUPID) pr
Reply #4 - Feb 22nd, 2025 at 4:40pm
 
I have a completely different process the prevents the rings form going any more than a whisker off. There are two elements to the process each are shown here see if you can identify both from the picture here  Cheesy
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Reply #5 - Feb 25th, 2025 at 2:59pm
 
Lets see if I get this correct.
1. You use wide segments in yur rings to insure wall thickness is not an issue.
2. You use glue aliment stops for precise centering.

I do both as well and IME, it helps quite a lot.
It doesn't take being "off" much at all to have an issue,, if you're going to go to all the work, why not give yourself a little insurance. You don't need to be wasteful but don't scrimp either. Just allow enough for a comfortable cushion.

And who doesn't like a comfortable cushion? Smiley
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Re: segmented bowls and vases my KISS (KEEP IT SIMPLY STUPID) pr
Reply #6 - Feb 25th, 2025 at 4:14pm
 
Ed Weber wrote on Feb 25th, 2025 at 2:59pm:
Lets see if I get this correct.
1. You use wide segments in yur rings to insure wall thickness is not an issue.
2. You use glue aliment stops for precise centering.

I do both as well and IME, it helps quite a lot.
It doesn't take being "off" much at all to have an issue,, if you're going to go to all the work, why not give yourself a little insurance. You don't need to be wasteful but don't scrimp either. Just allow enough for a comfortable cushion.

And who doesn't like a comfortable cushion? Smiley

Hi Ed Your no 2 is correct  glue aliment stops for precise centering.
however negative on your no1 I do not use wide segments. If you look closely at the original picture you will see I carefully align the segment glue line in the upper ring to a pencil line that divides the segment on the lower ring. That pencil line is drawn across the ting to also mark the segment 180 degrees from the first. I do this in tow locations. So when I get the glue lines of the upper ring aligned with the pencil line on the mating (bottom)  ring those rings are centered pretty darn right on. The alignment stops you correctly identified then capture the alignment allows me to remove the rings add the glue and get the same alignment right back . the drawing attached here shows the process where I used a compass to bisect the segments to give me centers to add the pencil lines. Please ask any questions and thanks for jumping in on this  Smiley    SORRY i HAD TO REDUCE THE PICTURE FILE A BUNCH TO GET IT TO UOLOAD HOPE YOU CAN SEE IT OK
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Re: segmented bowls and vases my KISS (KEEP IT SIMPLY STUPID) pr
Reply #7 - Feb 26th, 2025 at 2:33pm
 
I've been doing this for quite a while, so I actually don't measure as much as some people do.
I make the wall thickness of the segments thick enough so any change in design over thw plan (for what ever reason) can be accommodated.
I use the centering glue stops to keep my rings and glue lines ain alignment, purely for aesthetics.

What ever method works for you is the best one.
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Re: segmented bowls and vases my KISS (KEEP IT SIMPLY STUPID) pr
Reply #8 - Apr 4th, 2025 at 10:57pm
 
Mike,

your pictures are way too small for me to see. to correct this, do the following:

1. go to Turning Talk

2. in the message center at the top find: Image resize for PC and Appl

3. there is a link and instructions for resizing pictures so they can be seen.

as for segmented turnings, i use the same software i have used for 20 years. it gives me every cut, every ring, every detail i need to create. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register
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